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imo Cannabis is far and away more physically harmful than LSD and MDMA despite being orders of magnitude more commonly available

by jjawssd 10y ago

metaphorm 10y ago
LSD is also incredibly non-toxic. it's such a strong drug though that even though it's very safe for your body I really can't recommend that a person uses that for their first ever experience with drug-altered consciousness. MDMA is just objectively more toxic than cannabis. this isn't really subject to your opinion. if what you're referring to is the fact that cannabis is frequently smoked, that's not a fair comparison. oral cannnabis products exist too.
- jjawssd 10y ago
  Smoked cannabis is harmful to the lungs and oral cannabis is easily overdosed. No matter how you spin this one, you have to be careful with whatever road you choose to go down.
  - metaphorm 10y ago
    remember, you started this as a comparison of the relative dangers of cannabis vs. lsd or mdma. stay focused. you tried to make a point and I disagreed with it. accusing me of spinning is disengenuous. are you really going to start talking about "easily overdosed" when the drugs you're comparing it to are lsd (active in the microgram range) and mdma (active in the milligram range)? seriously, you feel like you can get away with claiming that cannabis is more dangerous than a drug that most people encounter as mystery pills at a party? get real.
    - jjawssd 10y ago
      You are of course completely correct. But given one hit of acid vs one hit of a cannabis brownie, people are more weary of the hit of acid and tend to subdivide it into pieces whereas novices typically trust cannabis brownies to be weak or they eat multiple of them and receive an overwhelming dose more often than not. Or maybe not. Your thoughts?
      - metaphorm 10y ago
        my thoughts are that cannabis is remarkably safe in general, but that everyone using it should be well informed and not be taking edibles that they don't know the content of. in legal states you can buy properly labeled edibles at a shop. if it's homemade stuff, you really have to be a lot more careful. either make it yourself or really trust your supplier. personally I would never take edibles bought from a dealer unlabeled. that's a real risk of an uncomfortable experience. I think smoking (or vaping if you're sensitive to the smoke) is by far the safest and most effective way to take cannabis though. LSD and MDMA there are really no safety tips that can possibly help. you either trust your source or you don't. if you trust your source and follow the dosage guidelines it's fine. both of those drugs are very safe at appropriate doses.
  - BEEdwards 10y ago
    WTF!?! You CANNOT overdose on cannabis. As in it will not kill you. The only way you could say that is if you have some weird definition where by having a "bad trip" counts as an overdose.
    - ionised 10y ago
      I think he literally meant unknowingly taking so much that it overwhelms you.
      - jjawssd 10y ago
        This
icanhackit 10y ago
As someone who has dabbled with all three I'd recommend starting with cannabis then MDMA and finally, in a safe environment, LSD. With one-off doses toxicity isn't your major concern, it's potential self harm through being unacquainted with different states of mind and control. Start on the more familiar end and work your way up if you're confident in your state of mind and sense of control. For the record I've never had a bad experience with any of them. I'd say cannabis and MDMA are my favorite substances, though I mix them with tobacco and alcohol so I suspect there's a synergistic effect where my reward center is being lit up like a Christmas tree. FWIW I don't go out to raves or clubs - I'm old and an introvert - I just hang out with friends in our own homes or outdoors near our homes so the risks are lower.
- GordonS 10y ago
  I would add not to use LSD alone - have a sober 'trip sitter' with you. If things take a negative turn, they might be able to turn it back around, or at least calm you down and stop you doing anything silly.

imo Cannabis is far and away more physically harmful than LSD and MDMA despite being orders of magnitude more commonly available

by jjawssd 10y ago

imo Cannabis is far and away more physically harmful than LSD and MDMA despite being orders of magnitude more commonly available

metaphorm 10y ago

LSD is also incredibly non-toxic. it's such a strong drug though that even though it's very safe for your body I really can't recommend that a person uses that for their first ever experience with drug-altered consciousness. MDMA is just objectively more toxic than cannabis. this isn't really subject to your opinion. if what you're referring to is the fact that cannabis is frequently smoked, that's not a fair comparison. oral cannnabis products exist too.

jjawssd 10y ago
Smoked cannabis is harmful to the lungs and oral cannabis is easily overdosed. No matter how you spin this one, you have to be careful with whatever road you choose to go down.
- metaphorm 10y ago
  remember, you started this as a comparison of the relative dangers of cannabis vs. lsd or mdma. stay focused. you tried to make a point and I disagreed with it. accusing me of spinning is disengenuous. are you really going to start talking about "easily overdosed" when the drugs you're comparing it to are lsd (active in the microgram range) and mdma (active in the milligram range)? seriously, you feel like you can get away with claiming that cannabis is more dangerous than a drug that most people encounter as mystery pills at a party? get real.
  - jjawssd 10y ago
    You are of course completely correct. But given one hit of acid vs one hit of a cannabis brownie, people are more weary of the hit of acid and tend to subdivide it into pieces whereas novices typically trust cannabis brownies to be weak or they eat multiple of them and receive an overwhelming dose more often than not. Or maybe not. Your thoughts?
    - metaphorm 10y ago
      my thoughts are that cannabis is remarkably safe in general, but that everyone using it should be well informed and not be taking edibles that they don't know the content of. in legal states you can buy properly labeled edibles at a shop. if it's homemade stuff, you really have to be a lot more careful. either make it yourself or really trust your supplier. personally I would never take edibles bought from a dealer unlabeled. that's a real risk of an uncomfortable experience. I think smoking (or vaping if you're sensitive to the smoke) is by far the safest and most effective way to take cannabis though. LSD and MDMA there are really no safety tips that can possibly help. you either trust your source or you don't. if you trust your source and follow the dosage guidelines it's fine. both of those drugs are very safe at appropriate doses.
- BEEdwards 10y ago
  WTF!?! You CANNOT overdose on cannabis. As in it will not kill you. The only way you could say that is if you have some weird definition where by having a "bad trip" counts as an overdose.
  - ionised 10y ago
    I think he literally meant unknowingly taking so much that it overwhelms you.
    - jjawssd 10y ago
      This

icanhackit 10y ago

As someone who has dabbled with all three I'd recommend starting with cannabis then MDMA and finally, in a safe environment, LSD. With one-off doses toxicity isn't your major concern, it's potential self harm through being unacquainted with different states of mind and control. Start on the more familiar end and work your way up if you're confident in your state of mind and sense of control. For the record I've never had a bad experience with any of them. I'd say cannabis and MDMA are my favorite substances, though I mix them with tobacco and alcohol so I suspect there's a synergistic effect where my reward center is being lit up like a Christmas tree. FWIW I don't go out to raves or clubs - I'm old and an introvert - I just hang out with friends in our own homes or outdoors near our homes so the risks are lower.

GordonS 10y ago
I would add not to use LSD alone - have a sober 'trip sitter' with you. If things take a negative turn, they might be able to turn it back around, or at least calm you down and stop you doing anything silly.