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Couldn't vote for him, never liked him, he scares me for a lot of reasons; but you think Trump has opened that flood gate? I don't think I buy that. I think t

Couldn't vote for him, never liked him, he scares me for a lot of reasons; but you think Trump has opened that flood gate? I don't think I buy that. I think the media has opened the flood gate/given it a soapbox in order to link it to Trump. For all his obvious faults, I don't think he is actually a racist. Nothing in the man's history, until he ran for president, shows that... if anything his history shows the opposite. idk, but yea, we agree these guys suck. (down votes incoming...)

thenewwazoo 10y ago
Please don't preemptively complain about downvotes. It poisons the well. To your point, Trump was sued in 1973 for racial discrimination in his housing business[1]. Most recently, he has advocated for banning Muslim people from entering the country based on their religion. The list goes on. The guy is racist to his bones in a way that has been normal but unspoken in America since the 1970s. He did not create the racism, but now the racists who want to be active have his tacit support. [1] http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/27/hillary-clinton/true-hillary-clinton-says-federal-government-sued-/ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/...
- djschnei 10y ago
  eh, I think I will if I want to. Telling people what do to also poisons the well. Just spent the last 30 minutes reading about that case... doesn't look good, that's for sure. Was also 40+ years ago. We can go back that far in just about any politicians life (Hillary, Bernie, etc...) and find extremely questionable to outright disgusting things. Not sure it's relevant today, maybe it is. As for the immigration moratorium from certain regions of the word, or similarly, deportation of undocumented immigrants; these are both things we have done VERY commonly in the past. Hell, Obama has done both. I wouldn't consider either to be racist, would you? Don't fall into the trap of thinking Trump won because of some white uprising. The numbers just aren't there. Trump won because the country is revolting against the establishment. (I think people are kind of silly for thinking Trump is going to "fix" that, but that's a separate conversation I suppose.) Should Trump come out in staunch opposition to every nutcase that get's in front of a microphone? Idk, maybe. Would take a lot of his time. Anyway, here is to the country healing.
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  - pyre 10y ago
    When you say something like: > Nothing in the man's history then I don't know why you then retort with "well, that was a long time ago." You made a statement that someone was proving false. Heck, you made that statement so broad in an attempt to bolster / underscore your point, so I think it's fair game. > As for the immigration moratorium from certain regions of the word, or similarly, deportation of undocumented immigrants; these are both things we have done VERY commonly in the past. Hell, Obama has done both. I wouldn't consider either to be racist, would you? I'm unclear how "Muslim" classifies one as being from a certain region of the world rather than describing their religious affiliation. Could you explain this?
    - djschnei 10y ago
      > then I don't know why you then retort with "well, that was a long time ago." You made a statement that someone was proving false. Heck, you made that statement so broad in an attempt to bolster / underscore your point, so I think it's fair game. He did prove me wrong, that is something in his history. But my comment regarding time and other politicians still stands. > I'm unclear how "Muslim" classifies one as being from a certain region of the world rather than describing their religious affiliation. Could you explain this? The man is a professional wind-bag, but he has multiple times expanded on that and specified he means "terror-prone regions", which is something we do all the time and is totally legal. https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-1994-title8/pdf/USCODE-1994-title8-chap11-subchapII_2-partII-sec1182.pdf https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-1994-title8/pdf/USCODE-...
  - Steltek 10y ago
    The list really doesn't stop at Muslims though. You forgot that judges can't be impartial if they're Mexican or that illegal aliens are rapists. Also, Black people are thugs. Etc etc. If Trump's not racist, he's uncomfortably close.
crispyambulance 10y ago
It doesn't matter if he's just done it opportunistically without actually believing what he says. The real crazies are using him as a bridge to the mainstream and Trump doesn't care as long as he gets wherever he's going.
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pyre 10y ago
> but you think Trump has opened that flood gate? I don't think I buy that. I think that Trump opens the floodgates because these people believe that he's on their side (regardless of whether or not he is). Because they believe that, they also see Trump's election / America's support for him as support for their alt-right / white nationalist cause, which makes them more bold.

thenewwazoo 10y ago

Please don't preemptively complain about downvotes. It poisons the well. To your point, Trump was sued in 1973 for racial discrimination in his housing business[1]. Most recently, he has advocated for banning Muslim people from entering the country based on their religion. The list goes on. The guy is racist to his bones in a way that has been normal but unspoken in America since the 1970s. He did not create the racism, but now the racists who want to be active have his tacit support. [1] http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/27/hillary-clinton/true-hillary-clinton-says-federal-government-sued-/ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/...

djschnei 10y ago
eh, I think I will if I want to. Telling people what do to also poisons the well. Just spent the last 30 minutes reading about that case... doesn't look good, that's for sure. Was also 40+ years ago. We can go back that far in just about any politicians life (Hillary, Bernie, etc...) and find extremely questionable to outright disgusting things. Not sure it's relevant today, maybe it is. As for the immigration moratorium from certain regions of the word, or similarly, deportation of undocumented immigrants; these are both things we have done VERY commonly in the past. Hell, Obama has done both. I wouldn't consider either to be racist, would you? Don't fall into the trap of thinking Trump won because of some white uprising. The numbers just aren't there. Trump won because the country is revolting against the establishment. (I think people are kind of silly for thinking Trump is going to "fix" that, but that's a separate conversation I suppose.) Should Trump come out in staunch opposition to every nutcase that get's in front of a microphone? Idk, maybe. Would take a lot of his time. Anyway, here is to the country healing.
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- pyre 10y ago
  When you say something like: > Nothing in the man's history then I don't know why you then retort with "well, that was a long time ago." You made a statement that someone was proving false. Heck, you made that statement so broad in an attempt to bolster / underscore your point, so I think it's fair game. > As for the immigration moratorium from certain regions of the word, or similarly, deportation of undocumented immigrants; these are both things we have done VERY commonly in the past. Hell, Obama has done both. I wouldn't consider either to be racist, would you? I'm unclear how "Muslim" classifies one as being from a certain region of the world rather than describing their religious affiliation. Could you explain this?
  - djschnei 10y ago
    > then I don't know why you then retort with "well, that was a long time ago." You made a statement that someone was proving false. Heck, you made that statement so broad in an attempt to bolster / underscore your point, so I think it's fair game. He did prove me wrong, that is something in his history. But my comment regarding time and other politicians still stands. > I'm unclear how "Muslim" classifies one as being from a certain region of the world rather than describing their religious affiliation. Could you explain this? The man is a professional wind-bag, but he has multiple times expanded on that and specified he means "terror-prone regions", which is something we do all the time and is totally legal. https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-1994-title8/pdf/USCODE-1994-title8-chap11-subchapII_2-partII-sec1182.pdf https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-1994-title8/pdf/USCODE-...
- Steltek 10y ago
  The list really doesn't stop at Muslims though. You forgot that judges can't be impartial if they're Mexican or that illegal aliens are rapists. Also, Black people are thugs. Etc etc. If Trump's not racist, he's uncomfortably close.

crispyambulance 10y ago

It doesn't matter if he's just done it opportunistically without actually believing what he says. The real crazies are using him as a bridge to the mainstream and Trump doesn't care as long as he gets wherever he's going.

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pyre 10y ago

> but you think Trump has opened that flood gate? I don't think I buy that. I think that Trump opens the floodgates because these people believe that he's on their side (regardless of whether or not he is). Because they believe that, they also see Trump's election / America's support for him as support for their alt-right / white nationalist cause, which makes them more bold.