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> Still, impressed with the NYT's ability to push a narrative. Isn't news narrative? Seems like I am missing what is bad about this article. Or did you want j

by baldfat 10y ago

> Still, impressed with the NYT's ability to push a narrative. Isn't news narrative? Seems like I am missing what is bad about this article. Or did you want just the facts? New app call ____ which does ___. Move along you now have all the facts? I want a news story to give me context and some way to sort out the narrative and do something with the raw data.

oxide 10y ago
Anything that doesn't explicity share my views is a narrative created by the enemy.
- ng12 10y ago
  And this is exactly the problem. I'm a democratic-leaning voter in a blue state -- clearly I have to trust and love outfits like the NYT and WaPo. Nevermind that both were obviously out of touch throughout this year's election. I'm honestly not sure how I escape the bubble at this point.
  - Natsu 10y ago
    This might help. Try finding things that completely disagree and see what they have to say. For example - Compare /r/The_Donald with /r/politics with /r/hillaryclinton Compare Breitbart to Wikileaks to CNN / MSNBC. Compare Reddit.com with Voat.co Compare Wikipedia to infogalactic.com Boil away the opinion/predictions made by every article and get down to what concrete, verifiable facts they contain (if any). Check original sources! Articles that cite a legal decision or laws and don't give a link to actual court papers/law are a special peeve of mine. Compare which facts get omitted in each version and which agree. Track who does (and doesn't) get over the stopped clock threshold (i.e. being right at least twice a day) and how often in matters of fact (not opinion). Track future predictions (right and wrong, take special note of fuzziness and lack of a time horizon). Remember the bias induced when we only remember some predictions and not others. Even when there are people you find hateful, it's important to understand what they believe and why.
  - baldfat 10y ago
    > Nevermind that both were obviously out of touch throughout this year's election. Nope 2 million under the popular vote doesn't seem like they were wrong at all.
    - mzw_mzw 10y ago
      And if the President was selected by popular vote, that would mean something.
      - baldfat 10y ago
        Doesn't mean the paper was out of touch though with the popular voters of the nation and in their regions?
ng12 10y ago
Because the narrative employs obvious bias only partially grounded in reality. The title implies that these people needed a safe space to protect themselves from dissenting opinion -- when the simple reality is Twitter kicked them out so they started using a different website. Yes, all news is biased but increasingly I'm finding the NYT to be completely out of touch. It's very obvious there's a story they want to push and so they find news that they can make fit the story.
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- oxide 10y ago
  from elsewhere in this thread: >On the Friday after the US presidential election, Andrew Torba, CEO of Gab.ai, a social network favored by conservatives, was kicked out of Y Combinator “I am actually surprised it took them this long to excommunicate me,” Torba told BuzzFeed News. “Y Combinator doesn’t accept conservatives and they don’t accept Trump supporters.” this is relevant here because of what this dude was actually doing, being a prick. > In the Facebook thread, before he was booted from Y Combinator, Torba wrote: “All of you: fuck off. Take your morally superior, elitist, virtue signaling bullshit and shove it. I call it like I see it, and I helped meme a President into office, cucks.” it took me a long time to learn that you don't have the right to be a prick on the internet. if you insist on being a prick, don't cry persecution when you get shown the door. don't cry censorship. it's neither. it's you being shown the door because you wanted to be a prick. full stop. if the guy in the above example wasn't a prick, he'd still be in the program. he could have called people cucks with donations like the big boys do, and not on facebook like a child.
  - omonra 10y ago
    How does this in any way negate the comment you are responding to? His point is that people go to Gab because they are thrown out of other venues. You're just going on about how they deserve to be thrown out.
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by baldfat 10y ago

oxide 10y ago

Anything that doesn't explicity share my views is a narrative created by the enemy.

ng12 10y ago
And this is exactly the problem. I'm a democratic-leaning voter in a blue state -- clearly I have to trust and love outfits like the NYT and WaPo. Nevermind that both were obviously out of touch throughout this year's election. I'm honestly not sure how I escape the bubble at this point.
- Natsu 10y ago
  This might help. Try finding things that completely disagree and see what they have to say. For example - Compare /r/The_Donald with /r/politics with /r/hillaryclinton Compare Breitbart to Wikileaks to CNN / MSNBC. Compare Reddit.com with Voat.co Compare Wikipedia to infogalactic.com Boil away the opinion/predictions made by every article and get down to what concrete, verifiable facts they contain (if any). Check original sources! Articles that cite a legal decision or laws and don't give a link to actual court papers/law are a special peeve of mine. Compare which facts get omitted in each version and which agree. Track who does (and doesn't) get over the stopped clock threshold (i.e. being right at least twice a day) and how often in matters of fact (not opinion). Track future predictions (right and wrong, take special note of fuzziness and lack of a time horizon). Remember the bias induced when we only remember some predictions and not others. Even when there are people you find hateful, it's important to understand what they believe and why.
- baldfat 10y ago
  > Nevermind that both were obviously out of touch throughout this year's election. Nope 2 million under the popular vote doesn't seem like they were wrong at all.
  - mzw_mzw 10y ago
    And if the President was selected by popular vote, that would mean something.
    - baldfat 10y ago
      Doesn't mean the paper was out of touch though with the popular voters of the nation and in their regions?

ng12 10y ago

Because the narrative employs obvious bias only partially grounded in reality. The title implies that these people needed a safe space to protect themselves from dissenting opinion -- when the simple reality is Twitter kicked them out so they started using a different website. Yes, all news is biased but increasingly I'm finding the NYT to be completely out of touch. It's very obvious there's a story they want to push and so they find news that they can make fit the story.

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oxide 10y ago
from elsewhere in this thread: >On the Friday after the US presidential election, Andrew Torba, CEO of Gab.ai, a social network favored by conservatives, was kicked out of Y Combinator “I am actually surprised it took them this long to excommunicate me,” Torba told BuzzFeed News. “Y Combinator doesn’t accept conservatives and they don’t accept Trump supporters.” this is relevant here because of what this dude was actually doing, being a prick. > In the Facebook thread, before he was booted from Y Combinator, Torba wrote: “All of you: fuck off. Take your morally superior, elitist, virtue signaling bullshit and shove it. I call it like I see it, and I helped meme a President into office, cucks.” it took me a long time to learn that you don't have the right to be a prick on the internet. if you insist on being a prick, don't cry persecution when you get shown the door. don't cry censorship. it's neither. it's you being shown the door because you wanted to be a prick. full stop. if the guy in the above example wasn't a prick, he'd still be in the program. he could have called people cucks with donations like the big boys do, and not on facebook like a child.
- omonra 10y ago
  How does this in any way negate the comment you are responding to? His point is that people go to Gab because they are thrown out of other venues. You're just going on about how they deserve to be thrown out.
  - deleted 10y ago