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Can we stop normalizing scum like Richard B. Spencer and the alt right? Many would consider me "far right", I have nothing in common with that filth... Also,

Can we stop normalizing scum like Richard B. Spencer and the alt right? Many would consider me "far right", I have nothing in common with that filth... Also, nice to see the market filling the need for a censor-less social platform. Let them be hateful idiots over in the corner, it's their right.

Zaheer 10y ago
+1 to the normalizing piece. These folks are a few short hops away from ISIS. They've nailed hate-filled ideology, lone-wolf attacks and it's only a matter of time before they organize into something worse. Trump has opened the flood-gates for individuals like this to have a voice.
- djschnei 10y ago
  Couldn't vote for him, never liked him, he scares me for a lot of reasons; but you think Trump has opened that flood gate? I don't think I buy that. I think the media has opened the flood gate/given it a soapbox in order to link it to Trump. For all his obvious faults, I don't think he is actually a racist. Nothing in the man's history, until he ran for president, shows that... if anything his history shows the opposite. idk, but yea, we agree these guys suck. (down votes incoming...)
  - thenewwazoo 10y ago
    Please don't preemptively complain about downvotes. It poisons the well. To your point, Trump was sued in 1973 for racial discrimination in his housing business[1]. Most recently, he has advocated for banning Muslim people from entering the country based on their religion. The list goes on. The guy is racist to his bones in a way that has been normal but unspoken in America since the 1970s. He did not create the racism, but now the racists who want to be active have his tacit support. [1] http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/27/hillary-clinton/true-hillary-clinton-says-federal-government-sued-/ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/...
    - djschnei 10y ago
      eh, I think I will if I want to. Telling people what do to also poisons the well. Just spent the last 30 minutes reading about that case... doesn't look good, that's for sure. Was also 40+ years ago. We can go back that far in just about any politicians life (Hillary, Bernie, etc...) and find extremely questionable to outright disgusting things. Not sure it's relevant today, maybe it is. As for the immigration moratorium from certain regions of the word, or similarly, deportation of undocumented immigrants; these are both things we have done VERY commonly in the past. Hell, Obama has done both. I wouldn't consider either to be racist, would you? Don't fall into the trap of thinking Trump won because of some white uprising. The numbers just aren't there. Trump won because the country is revolting against the establishment. (I think people are kind of silly for thinking Trump is going to "fix" that, but that's a separate conversation I suppose.) Should Trump come out in staunch opposition to every nutcase that get's in front of a microphone? Idk, maybe. Would take a lot of his time. Anyway, here is to the country healing.
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      - pyre 10y ago
        When you say something like: > Nothing in the man's history then I don't know why you then retort with "well, that was a long time ago." You made a statement that someone was proving false. Heck, you made that statement so broad in an attempt to bolster / underscore your point, so I think it's fair game. > As for the immigration moratorium from certain regions of the word, or similarly, deportation of undocumented immigrants; these are both things we have done VERY commonly in the past. Hell, Obama has done both. I wouldn't consider either to be racist, would you? I'm unclear how "Muslim" classifies one as being from a certain region of the world rather than describing their religious affiliation. Could you explain this?
        djschnei 10y ago
        > then I don't know why you then retort with "well, that was a long time ago." You made a statement that someone was proving false. Heck, you made that statement so broad in an attempt to bolster / underscore your point, so I think it's fair game. He did prove me wrong, that is something in his history. But my comment regarding time and other politicians still stands. > I'm unclear how "Muslim" classifies one as being from a certain region of the world rather than describing their religious affiliation. Could you explain this? The man is a professional wind-bag, but he has multiple times expanded on that and specified he means "terror-prone regions", which is something we do all the time and is totally legal. https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-1994-title8/pdf/USCODE-1994-title8-chap11-subchapII_2-partII-sec1182.pdf https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-1994-title8/pdf/USCODE-...
  - crispyambulance 10y ago
    It doesn't matter if he's just done it opportunistically without actually believing what he says. The real crazies are using him as a bridge to the mainstream and Trump doesn't care as long as he gets wherever he's going.
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  - pyre 10y ago
    > but you think Trump has opened that flood gate? I don't think I buy that. I think that Trump opens the floodgates because these people believe that he's on their side (regardless of whether or not he is). Because they believe that, they also see Trump's election / America's support for him as support for their alt-right / white nationalist cause, which makes them more bold.
- ManFromUranus 10y ago
  >They've nailed hate-filled ideology, lone-wolf attacks Uh, no they haven't. Alt-Right has never committed any terrorist attacks. Unless you consider triggering liberals as "terrorism" now... which it probably will be soon, lets be honest. >it's only a matter of time before they organize into something worse You could say this about liberals. Look at the police state they turned Britain into. Over in Europe a boy was raped by a migrant having a "sexual emergency" the migrant was not prosecuted because he didn't know that the 10yo boy did not want to have sex. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/iraqi-refugee-raped-10-year-old-boy-swimming-pool-vienna-austria-sentence-conviction-overturned-a7377491.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/iraqi-refugee... This is the thing though, legally it does not matter what the boy wanted, a minor CANNOT consent to sex. So it is a criminal act to have sexual contact with a minor, even if the child asks for it explicitly AND even if you are ignorant of the law. The fact that this migrant was let off due to anti-racist sentiment IS THE EXACT REASON that the alt-right can exist. Without shit like this from "liberals" and "anti-racists" then there is no reason for the alt-right, there is no fuel for it. As long as things like this keep happening, then the alt-right will continue to grow as a reaction to feckless liberal cowardice and double standards.
  - linkregister 10y ago
    White supremacists among many other domestic and international terrorists have committed many deadly terrorist attacks in the United States (the death toll is lead by Islamic terrorists). 1. https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/testimony/the-terrorist-threat-confronting-the-united-states https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/testimony/the-terrori... 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States
- EJTH 10y ago
  Wow you get a +1 for effort in fearmongering rethoric.
Finnucane 10y ago
Yeah, it's not actually hyperbole to call Spencer a Nazi. I mean, if your political program calls for ethnic cleansing, your meetings include Nazi salutes and chants of "sieg hiel!", we can call you a Nazi. But sure, they needed a new platform, because Stormfront and the Daily Stormer are too PC?
- djschnei 10y ago
  They needed a new platform because they think they need a new platform; that's how a market works.
  - Finnucane 10y ago
    They need a new platform because they want a platform that for at least the first few minutes won't be "that place where the fucking Nazis hang out."
    - djschnei 10y ago
      Ok. So?
swang 10y ago
we can start off by calling them white supremacists rather than alt-right.
- MrZongle2 10y ago
  Sure, but then how can you smear normal conservatives? /s
h4nkoslo 10y ago
Maybe you should try calling him a racist. That usually works.

Zaheer 10y ago

+1 to the normalizing piece. These folks are a few short hops away from ISIS. They've nailed hate-filled ideology, lone-wolf attacks and it's only a matter of time before they organize into something worse. Trump has opened the flood-gates for individuals like this to have a voice.

djschnei 10y ago
Couldn't vote for him, never liked him, he scares me for a lot of reasons; but you think Trump has opened that flood gate? I don't think I buy that. I think the media has opened the flood gate/given it a soapbox in order to link it to Trump. For all his obvious faults, I don't think he is actually a racist. Nothing in the man's history, until he ran for president, shows that... if anything his history shows the opposite. idk, but yea, we agree these guys suck. (down votes incoming...)
- thenewwazoo 10y ago
  Please don't preemptively complain about downvotes. It poisons the well. To your point, Trump was sued in 1973 for racial discrimination in his housing business[1]. Most recently, he has advocated for banning Muslim people from entering the country based on their religion. The list goes on. The guy is racist to his bones in a way that has been normal but unspoken in America since the 1970s. He did not create the racism, but now the racists who want to be active have his tacit support. [1] http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/27/hillary-clinton/true-hillary-clinton-says-federal-government-sued-/ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/...
  - djschnei 10y ago
    eh, I think I will if I want to. Telling people what do to also poisons the well. Just spent the last 30 minutes reading about that case... doesn't look good, that's for sure. Was also 40+ years ago. We can go back that far in just about any politicians life (Hillary, Bernie, etc...) and find extremely questionable to outright disgusting things. Not sure it's relevant today, maybe it is. As for the immigration moratorium from certain regions of the word, or similarly, deportation of undocumented immigrants; these are both things we have done VERY commonly in the past. Hell, Obama has done both. I wouldn't consider either to be racist, would you? Don't fall into the trap of thinking Trump won because of some white uprising. The numbers just aren't there. Trump won because the country is revolting against the establishment. (I think people are kind of silly for thinking Trump is going to "fix" that, but that's a separate conversation I suppose.) Should Trump come out in staunch opposition to every nutcase that get's in front of a microphone? Idk, maybe. Would take a lot of his time. Anyway, here is to the country healing.
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    - pyre 10y ago
      When you say something like: > Nothing in the man's history then I don't know why you then retort with "well, that was a long time ago." You made a statement that someone was proving false. Heck, you made that statement so broad in an attempt to bolster / underscore your point, so I think it's fair game. > As for the immigration moratorium from certain regions of the word, or similarly, deportation of undocumented immigrants; these are both things we have done VERY commonly in the past. Hell, Obama has done both. I wouldn't consider either to be racist, would you? I'm unclear how "Muslim" classifies one as being from a certain region of the world rather than describing their religious affiliation. Could you explain this?
      - djschnei 10y ago
        > then I don't know why you then retort with "well, that was a long time ago." You made a statement that someone was proving false. Heck, you made that statement so broad in an attempt to bolster / underscore your point, so I think it's fair game. He did prove me wrong, that is something in his history. But my comment regarding time and other politicians still stands. > I'm unclear how "Muslim" classifies one as being from a certain region of the world rather than describing their religious affiliation. Could you explain this? The man is a professional wind-bag, but he has multiple times expanded on that and specified he means "terror-prone regions", which is something we do all the time and is totally legal. https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-1994-title8/pdf/USCODE-1994-title8-chap11-subchapII_2-partII-sec1182.pdf https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-1994-title8/pdf/USCODE-...
- crispyambulance 10y ago
  It doesn't matter if he's just done it opportunistically without actually believing what he says. The real crazies are using him as a bridge to the mainstream and Trump doesn't care as long as he gets wherever he's going.
- deleted 10y ago
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- pyre 10y ago
  > but you think Trump has opened that flood gate? I don't think I buy that. I think that Trump opens the floodgates because these people believe that he's on their side (regardless of whether or not he is). Because they believe that, they also see Trump's election / America's support for him as support for their alt-right / white nationalist cause, which makes them more bold.
ManFromUranus 10y ago
>They've nailed hate-filled ideology, lone-wolf attacks Uh, no they haven't. Alt-Right has never committed any terrorist attacks. Unless you consider triggering liberals as "terrorism" now... which it probably will be soon, lets be honest. >it's only a matter of time before they organize into something worse You could say this about liberals. Look at the police state they turned Britain into. Over in Europe a boy was raped by a migrant having a "sexual emergency" the migrant was not prosecuted because he didn't know that the 10yo boy did not want to have sex. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/iraqi-refugee-raped-10-year-old-boy-swimming-pool-vienna-austria-sentence-conviction-overturned-a7377491.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/iraqi-refugee... This is the thing though, legally it does not matter what the boy wanted, a minor CANNOT consent to sex. So it is a criminal act to have sexual contact with a minor, even if the child asks for it explicitly AND even if you are ignorant of the law. The fact that this migrant was let off due to anti-racist sentiment IS THE EXACT REASON that the alt-right can exist. Without shit like this from "liberals" and "anti-racists" then there is no reason for the alt-right, there is no fuel for it. As long as things like this keep happening, then the alt-right will continue to grow as a reaction to feckless liberal cowardice and double standards.
- linkregister 10y ago
  White supremacists among many other domestic and international terrorists have committed many deadly terrorist attacks in the United States (the death toll is lead by Islamic terrorists). 1. https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/testimony/the-terrorist-threat-confronting-the-united-states https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/testimony/the-terrori... 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States
EJTH 10y ago
Wow you get a +1 for effort in fearmongering rethoric.

Finnucane 10y ago

Yeah, it's not actually hyperbole to call Spencer a Nazi. I mean, if your political program calls for ethnic cleansing, your meetings include Nazi salutes and chants of "sieg hiel!", we can call you a Nazi. But sure, they needed a new platform, because Stormfront and the Daily Stormer are too PC?

djschnei 10y ago
They needed a new platform because they think they need a new platform; that's how a market works.
- Finnucane 10y ago
  They need a new platform because they want a platform that for at least the first few minutes won't be "that place where the fucking Nazis hang out."
  - djschnei 10y ago
    Ok. So?

swang 10y ago

we can start off by calling them white supremacists rather than alt-right.

MrZongle2 10y ago
Sure, but then how can you smear normal conservatives? /s

h4nkoslo 10y ago

Maybe you should try calling him a racist. That usually works.