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How do you increase the performance of the primary/middle/high-school system? To me, that means creating better and more educated teachers that can generate mor

by beefok 10y ago

How do you increase the performance of the primary/middle/high-school system? To me, that means creating better and more educated teachers that can generate more 'performant' students!

douche 10y ago
You've got to pay those teachers a competitive wage, if you want to get better quality out of them. Teaching is already kind of a shitty deal, considering you need a four-year degree, plus specialty teacher training, and then continuing education to maintain your certificate, and then they pay you peanuts.
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  Teachers make over the median wage on average, and work less hours per year as well. How much do we have to pay them in order to encourage them to do their jobs in your opinion? "The BLS reports that elementary teachers in the U.S. receive an average annual salary of $55,270. Many teachers, including those in New York City, receive their pay at set intervals throughout the course of the year. In other areas, teachers only receive pay when school is in session. The BLS does not gather data relating to hourly wages due to the manner in which most elementary teachers are paid. However, someone working a typical 40-hour work week would have to receive an hourly rate of $26.57 to earn as much as the average elementary teacher over the course of a year." http://work.chron.com/hourly-wages-teachers-2044.html http://work.chron.com/hourly-wages-teachers-2044.html
  - douche 10y ago
    That seems pretty high. My mother with 27 years of seniority and a master's degree only makes about that much, and she is the highest-paid teacher in her school district. Starting salary in Maine is something like 30, 32k. Technically, teachers do only work about 3/4 as many days as the rest of us that work full time, but it's not exactly easy to pick up another real job for those two and a half months in the summer. You're not going to get people that have better options to gravitate towards teaching at those kind of rates. Especially for math and sciences, where you could start out making double or triple a teaching salary in an industry job.
    - cmdrfred 10y ago
      >That seems pretty high. That article is quoting BLS statistics[0]. Where are your numbers? [0]http://www.bls.gov/ooh/education-training-and-library/kindergarten-and-elementary-school-teachers.htm http://www.bls.gov/ooh/education-training-and-library/kinder...
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  - saint_fiasco 10y ago
    > over the median wage on average That's an odd measure. Why use the average median instead of the median median or the average average? Remember also to take into account the median (or average, whatever) wage among people with four year degrees + special training + willingness to continue training to maintain their certificates.
    - cmdrfred 10y ago
      My mistake, I mean't to type simply median wage. A single teacher makes more than the average household ($53,657). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United... >Remember also to take into account the median (or average, whatever) wage among people with four year degrees + special training + willingness to continue training to maintain their certificates. And then cut that number(50,556)[0] by 1/4th, and you are at a number much lower than what most teachers make currently and that's before you factor in pensions and benefits. [0]http://time.com/money/3829776/heres-what-the-average-grad-makes-right-out-of-college/ http://time.com/money/3829776/heres-what-the-average-grad-ma...

by beefok 10y ago

How do you increase the performance of the primary/middle/high-school system? To me, that means creating better and more educated teachers that can generate more 'performant' students!

douche 10y ago

You've got to pay those teachers a competitive wage, if you want to get better quality out of them. Teaching is already kind of a shitty deal, considering you need a four-year degree, plus specialty teacher training, and then continuing education to maintain your certificate, and then they pay you peanuts.

cmdrfred 10y ago
Teachers make over the median wage on average, and work less hours per year as well. How much do we have to pay them in order to encourage them to do their jobs in your opinion? "The BLS reports that elementary teachers in the U.S. receive an average annual salary of $55,270. Many teachers, including those in New York City, receive their pay at set intervals throughout the course of the year. In other areas, teachers only receive pay when school is in session. The BLS does not gather data relating to hourly wages due to the manner in which most elementary teachers are paid. However, someone working a typical 40-hour work week would have to receive an hourly rate of $26.57 to earn as much as the average elementary teacher over the course of a year." http://work.chron.com/hourly-wages-teachers-2044.html http://work.chron.com/hourly-wages-teachers-2044.html
- douche 10y ago
  That seems pretty high. My mother with 27 years of seniority and a master's degree only makes about that much, and she is the highest-paid teacher in her school district. Starting salary in Maine is something like 30, 32k. Technically, teachers do only work about 3/4 as many days as the rest of us that work full time, but it's not exactly easy to pick up another real job for those two and a half months in the summer. You're not going to get people that have better options to gravitate towards teaching at those kind of rates. Especially for math and sciences, where you could start out making double or triple a teaching salary in an industry job.
  - cmdrfred 10y ago
    >That seems pretty high. That article is quoting BLS statistics[0]. Where are your numbers? [0]http://www.bls.gov/ooh/education-training-and-library/kindergarten-and-elementary-school-teachers.htm http://www.bls.gov/ooh/education-training-and-library/kinder...
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- saint_fiasco 10y ago
  > over the median wage on average That's an odd measure. Why use the average median instead of the median median or the average average? Remember also to take into account the median (or average, whatever) wage among people with four year degrees + special training + willingness to continue training to maintain their certificates.
  - cmdrfred 10y ago
    My mistake, I mean't to type simply median wage. A single teacher makes more than the average household ($53,657). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United... >Remember also to take into account the median (or average, whatever) wage among people with four year degrees + special training + willingness to continue training to maintain their certificates. And then cut that number(50,556)[0] by 1/4th, and you are at a number much lower than what most teachers make currently and that's before you factor in pensions and benefits. [0]http://time.com/money/3829776/heres-what-the-average-grad-makes-right-out-of-college/ http://time.com/money/3829776/heres-what-the-average-grad-ma...