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That's a surprising link for you to post, especially since it doesn't support what you have said in the slightest. tldr: Jacob Schiff was a super wealthy Jewis

That's a surprising link for you to post, especially since it doesn't support what you have said in the slightest. tldr: Jacob Schiff was a super wealthy Jewish banker. Because of the state endorsed pogroms in Russia he refused to lend to the Russian Empire and instead lent to Japan - helping them to buy weapons and win the Russian-Japanese war. After the fall of the empire he no longer blacklisted Russia. The simplification of a complex political and social event like the Russian Revolution to the 'Bankrolling of Jews' is not only stupid and narrow minded but is part of a long and sordid history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism On a sort of related matter if anyone would like to read a very entertaining novel about conspiracy theories, check out Umberto Eco's 'Prague Cemetery'.

nikolay 10y ago
I posted the link as a reference to who he is. There's much more about him and what he's done elsewhere. It's very easy to label inconvenient hypotheses as "conspiracy theories" - George Soros was one of those until we saw proof about his involvement everywhere.
- padraic7a 10y ago
  Well the second site you posted has the following masthead: "NEW WORLD ORDER / WORLD WAR II / CONSPIRACY / ECONOMICS / NEWS" Like you say there are lots of sites about Schiff and the Russian Revolution. I'm not surprised you didn't post them here since they have urls like strangeside, jewishracism, judeo-masonic, communism-explained and so on.
  - ixtli 10y ago
    Yes can we stop the whitewashing? It's zionist conspiracy theory.
  - nikolay 10y ago
    Well, world history is full of conspiracy facts, so, there's nothing wrong with that being in the title. Conspiracy theories, when founded on facts, are also fine. We can't know most of the facts so you suggest people should stop thinking and creating theories?! Debunk with verifiable facts instead of labeling - that's the only right thing to do.
nikolay 10y ago
BTW, I don't know how much of it [0] is true; I only know for a fact that Leon Trotsky was in the Wall St. circles before he went back to Russia with some money, which obviously was not his, but to suppress facts just because major Jewish figures were involved and that can fuel anti-Semitism is wrong. [0]: http://www.tomatobubble.com/id695.html http://www.tomatobubble.com/id695.html
- kafkaesq 10y ago
  BTW, I don't know how much of it [0] is true; Then why post it?
  - nikolay 10y ago
    Because maybe you could debunk it, which nobody managed to do so far.
    - kafkaesq 10y ago
      The thing is, most people on HN have better things to do with their time than go around debunking other people's random stuff they found on the internet somewhere. That said, the principle of "Nobody's debunked it yet, so heck, it might as well be true" probably isn't the best operating maxim to base one's worldviews on.
      - nikolay 10y ago
        What makes you think you represent a significant portion of the community here? I've seen much less impactful stuff like website design attracting a lot of energy for virtually no reason, for example. And here we're discussing serious stuff, which is aligned with the OP. If you don't care, spend your time in the thousand other threads.
        AbrahamParangi 10y ago
        "On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting." While website design is right on the money, I have to assume that Jewish New World Order conspiracy theories don't fit that description.
razakel 10y ago
>On a sort of related matter if anyone would like to read a very entertaining novel about conspiracy theories, check out Umberto Eco's 'Prague Cemetery'. Would you say it has any parallels with Foucault's Pendulum?
- padraic7a 10y ago
  Yep, definitely. I've only read a few of Eco's novels but I think they all deal with similar ideas, or look at the same ideas through different lenses. Prague Cemetery ruminates on the ideas of slanderous conspiracies [slanderous isn't really a strong enough word, they are really hateful]. At the start of the book Royalists are spreading conspiracies about the Jesuits being behind Italian Republicanism. By the end of the book the Jesuits have either been replaced by the Jews, or are working hand in hand with them. As in Focault's Pendulum many of the people manufacturing the conspiracy are also believers in it. In the Name of the Rose there are long passages about the nature of heresy and how a power [the Church] declaring something to be a heretical belief can attract those who oppose that power, in effect spreading that heresy, even in cases where the heretical belief might be manufactured or non-existent. One major difference is that the book also sets out how these conspiracies serve people's interests. In some cases the interests served are political reactionaries, in other it is political regimes or state intelligence agencies. It feels like a longer novel that Focault's Pendulum, though I'm not sure if that's correct. I think it loses the run of itself a little in places but it is well worth a read.

nikolay 10y ago

I posted the link as a reference to who he is. There's much more about him and what he's done elsewhere. It's very easy to label inconvenient hypotheses as "conspiracy theories" - George Soros was one of those until we saw proof about his involvement everywhere.

padraic7a 10y ago
Well the second site you posted has the following masthead: "NEW WORLD ORDER / WORLD WAR II / CONSPIRACY / ECONOMICS / NEWS" Like you say there are lots of sites about Schiff and the Russian Revolution. I'm not surprised you didn't post them here since they have urls like strangeside, jewishracism, judeo-masonic, communism-explained and so on.
- ixtli 10y ago
  Yes can we stop the whitewashing? It's zionist conspiracy theory.
- nikolay 10y ago
  Well, world history is full of conspiracy facts, so, there's nothing wrong with that being in the title. Conspiracy theories, when founded on facts, are also fine. We can't know most of the facts so you suggest people should stop thinking and creating theories?! Debunk with verifiable facts instead of labeling - that's the only right thing to do.

nikolay 10y ago

BTW, I don't know how much of it [0] is true; I only know for a fact that Leon Trotsky was in the Wall St. circles before he went back to Russia with some money, which obviously was not his, but to suppress facts just because major Jewish figures were involved and that can fuel anti-Semitism is wrong. [0]: http://www.tomatobubble.com/id695.html http://www.tomatobubble.com/id695.html

kafkaesq 10y ago
BTW, I don't know how much of it [0] is true; Then why post it?
- nikolay 10y ago
  Because maybe you could debunk it, which nobody managed to do so far.
  - kafkaesq 10y ago
    The thing is, most people on HN have better things to do with their time than go around debunking other people's random stuff they found on the internet somewhere. That said, the principle of "Nobody's debunked it yet, so heck, it might as well be true" probably isn't the best operating maxim to base one's worldviews on.
    - nikolay 10y ago
      What makes you think you represent a significant portion of the community here? I've seen much less impactful stuff like website design attracting a lot of energy for virtually no reason, for example. And here we're discussing serious stuff, which is aligned with the OP. If you don't care, spend your time in the thousand other threads.
      - AbrahamParangi 10y ago
        "On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting." While website design is right on the money, I have to assume that Jewish New World Order conspiracy theories don't fit that description.

razakel 10y ago

>On a sort of related matter if anyone would like to read a very entertaining novel about conspiracy theories, check out Umberto Eco's 'Prague Cemetery'. Would you say it has any parallels with Foucault's Pendulum?

padraic7a 10y ago
Yep, definitely. I've only read a few of Eco's novels but I think they all deal with similar ideas, or look at the same ideas through different lenses. Prague Cemetery ruminates on the ideas of slanderous conspiracies [slanderous isn't really a strong enough word, they are really hateful]. At the start of the book Royalists are spreading conspiracies about the Jesuits being behind Italian Republicanism. By the end of the book the Jesuits have either been replaced by the Jews, or are working hand in hand with them. As in Focault's Pendulum many of the people manufacturing the conspiracy are also believers in it. In the Name of the Rose there are long passages about the nature of heresy and how a power [the Church] declaring something to be a heretical belief can attract those who oppose that power, in effect spreading that heresy, even in cases where the heretical belief might be manufactured or non-existent. One major difference is that the book also sets out how these conspiracies serve people's interests. In some cases the interests served are political reactionaries, in other it is political regimes or state intelligence agencies. It feels like a longer novel that Focault's Pendulum, though I'm not sure if that's correct. I think it loses the run of itself a little in places but it is well worth a read.