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There is a lot of worthless hate speech in the world. Nothing is learned from it except that the speaker is ignorant. The stuff people are taking about blocki

There is a lot of worthless hate speech in the world. Nothing is learned from it except that the speaker is ignorant. The stuff people are taking about blocking and removing from their services is far from the best arguments or adversaries. It is the trash.

tux1968 10y ago
It's hard to be a fair judge when you disagree with someone so deeply. Rather than take the risk of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, it might be prudent to turn this into a teaching moment instead. Teach our side of the isle.. don't engage with idiots.. engage only with well formed arguments. We could learn something and become better people rather than becoming reactionary because we're unequipped to deal with alternate views. In the end, it's really not that hard to ignore the worst of it on Reddit, it would be even easier if people on our side didn't freak out about every tidbit.
- sanswork 10y ago
  I think a lot of people are happy to engage with well formed arguments. And the people that want to make them will continue to not associate themselves with the worst elements of their side of the political spectrum. There are lots of people on the left I refuse to support because of their ideas and comments. So I go out of my way to avoid associating myself with them. If you play in the muck though you're going to get dirty.
wallace_f 10y ago
Historically speaking, moral righteousness has always been the primary argument for curtailing free speech.
- sanswork 10y ago
  No one is talking about curtailing free speech they are talking about a private platform not wanting to promote that speech anymore.
  - wallace_f 10y ago
    I find this comment to be ignorant and not constructive. Edit: This user already had this debate in another thread and conceded, then brought it up here again. Here are some comments from this user to show you what I mean: > It was stuff like idiots accusing everyone that didn't support trump > There is a lot of worthless hate speech in the world. Nothing is learned from it except that the speaker is ignorant > You're not restricting thoughts or ideas you are simply not agreeing to promote it. And finally, when he conceded it really is about free expression: > Reddit stopped claiming to be about free speech years ago. I don't appreciate the ad hominen attacks, and I'm not going to debate whether or not this is about free speech with this user.
    - sanswork 10y ago
      I don't see what I conceded exactly? The post I responded to claimed that reddit was claiming to be about free speech when spez has openly stated on many occasions that it wasn't originally and isn't now and that it only became more open to it because they were lazing about policing. That has nothing to do with my other statements nor does it contradict any of them.
      - wallace_f 10y ago
        So we are talking about free speech then? It sounds like you have already forgotten that the comment I replied to said "no one is talking about free speech."
        sanswork 10y ago
        In that specific comment no. It was about reddit's core beliefs. The fact that the word free speech was used in the sentence doesn't make that a central point of that conversation. In the general case also no because a private platform not promoting someones speech isn't a free speech issue.
        wallace_f 10y ago

tux1968 10y ago

It's hard to be a fair judge when you disagree with someone so deeply. Rather than take the risk of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, it might be prudent to turn this into a teaching moment instead. Teach our side of the isle.. don't engage with idiots.. engage only with well formed arguments. We could learn something and become better people rather than becoming reactionary because we're unequipped to deal with alternate views. In the end, it's really not that hard to ignore the worst of it on Reddit, it would be even easier if people on our side didn't freak out about every tidbit.

sanswork 10y ago
I think a lot of people are happy to engage with well formed arguments. And the people that want to make them will continue to not associate themselves with the worst elements of their side of the political spectrum. There are lots of people on the left I refuse to support because of their ideas and comments. So I go out of my way to avoid associating myself with them. If you play in the muck though you're going to get dirty.

wallace_f 10y ago

Historically speaking, moral righteousness has always been the primary argument for curtailing free speech.

sanswork 10y ago
No one is talking about curtailing free speech they are talking about a private platform not wanting to promote that speech anymore.
- wallace_f 10y ago
  I find this comment to be ignorant and not constructive. Edit: This user already had this debate in another thread and conceded, then brought it up here again. Here are some comments from this user to show you what I mean: > It was stuff like idiots accusing everyone that didn't support trump > There is a lot of worthless hate speech in the world. Nothing is learned from it except that the speaker is ignorant > You're not restricting thoughts or ideas you are simply not agreeing to promote it. And finally, when he conceded it really is about free expression: > Reddit stopped claiming to be about free speech years ago. I don't appreciate the ad hominen attacks, and I'm not going to debate whether or not this is about free speech with this user.
  - sanswork 10y ago
    I don't see what I conceded exactly? The post I responded to claimed that reddit was claiming to be about free speech when spez has openly stated on many occasions that it wasn't originally and isn't now and that it only became more open to it because they were lazing about policing. That has nothing to do with my other statements nor does it contradict any of them.
    - wallace_f 10y ago
      So we are talking about free speech then? It sounds like you have already forgotten that the comment I replied to said "no one is talking about free speech."
      - sanswork 10y ago
        In that specific comment no. It was about reddit's core beliefs. The fact that the word free speech was used in the sentence doesn't make that a central point of that conversation. In the general case also no because a private platform not promoting someones speech isn't a free speech issue.
        wallace_f 10y ago