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It was stuff like idiots accusing everyone that didn't support trump of working for CTR that has lead to such a backlash. > sunlight is the best disinfectant

It was stuff like idiots accusing everyone that didn't support trump of working for CTR that has lead to such a backlash. > sunlight is the best disinfectant What do you think that disinfectant looks like? It is rarely people changing ideas it is more often society excluding people. Which is what is happening here. You don't have to give every idiot a platform to believe in free speech. You don't have to give them anything but the right to speech which they can use on their own sites.

wheelerwj 10y ago
> You don't have to give every idiot a platform to believe in free speech I mean, technically, you do.
- sanswork 10y ago
  You are welcome to make use of your free speech rights without forcing other people to promote your speech. So no technically you don't.
  - wheelerwj 10y ago
    it's not free speech if you restrict thoughts and ideas. I am not saying reddit is required to be a free speech site, it's not, but you can't be free speech and still censor. Regardless, reddit claims to be about free speech and still censors. So... irony?
    - sanswork 10y ago
      You're not restricting thoughts or ideas you are simply not agreeing to promote it. Reddit stopped claiming to be about free speech years ago.
tux1968 10y ago
I think that Reddit will be throwing away one of its most essential contributions to the internet if it resorts to servicing just one side of this debate. If you're not confronted with the best arguments of your adversaries, you won't understand, learn, or prevail.
- sanswork 10y ago
  There is a lot of worthless hate speech in the world. Nothing is learned from it except that the speaker is ignorant. The stuff people are taking about blocking and removing from their services is far from the best arguments or adversaries. It is the trash.
  - tux1968 10y ago
    It's hard to be a fair judge when you disagree with someone so deeply. Rather than take the risk of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, it might be prudent to turn this into a teaching moment instead. Teach our side of the isle.. don't engage with idiots.. engage only with well formed arguments. We could learn something and become better people rather than becoming reactionary because we're unequipped to deal with alternate views. In the end, it's really not that hard to ignore the worst of it on Reddit, it would be even easier if people on our side didn't freak out about every tidbit.
    - sanswork 10y ago
      I think a lot of people are happy to engage with well formed arguments. And the people that want to make them will continue to not associate themselves with the worst elements of their side of the political spectrum. There are lots of people on the left I refuse to support because of their ideas and comments. So I go out of my way to avoid associating myself with them. If you play in the muck though you're going to get dirty.
  - wallace_f 10y ago
    Historically speaking, moral righteousness has always been the primary argument for curtailing free speech.
    - sanswork 10y ago
      No one is talking about curtailing free speech they are talking about a private platform not wanting to promote that speech anymore.

wheelerwj 10y ago

> You don't have to give every idiot a platform to believe in free speech I mean, technically, you do.

sanswork 10y ago
You are welcome to make use of your free speech rights without forcing other people to promote your speech. So no technically you don't.
- wheelerwj 10y ago
  it's not free speech if you restrict thoughts and ideas. I am not saying reddit is required to be a free speech site, it's not, but you can't be free speech and still censor. Regardless, reddit claims to be about free speech and still censors. So... irony?
  - sanswork 10y ago
    You're not restricting thoughts or ideas you are simply not agreeing to promote it. Reddit stopped claiming to be about free speech years ago.

tux1968 10y ago

I think that Reddit will be throwing away one of its most essential contributions to the internet if it resorts to servicing just one side of this debate. If you're not confronted with the best arguments of your adversaries, you won't understand, learn, or prevail.

sanswork 10y ago
There is a lot of worthless hate speech in the world. Nothing is learned from it except that the speaker is ignorant. The stuff people are taking about blocking and removing from their services is far from the best arguments or adversaries. It is the trash.
- tux1968 10y ago
  It's hard to be a fair judge when you disagree with someone so deeply. Rather than take the risk of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, it might be prudent to turn this into a teaching moment instead. Teach our side of the isle.. don't engage with idiots.. engage only with well formed arguments. We could learn something and become better people rather than becoming reactionary because we're unequipped to deal with alternate views. In the end, it's really not that hard to ignore the worst of it on Reddit, it would be even easier if people on our side didn't freak out about every tidbit.
  - sanswork 10y ago
    I think a lot of people are happy to engage with well formed arguments. And the people that want to make them will continue to not associate themselves with the worst elements of their side of the political spectrum. There are lots of people on the left I refuse to support because of their ideas and comments. So I go out of my way to avoid associating myself with them. If you play in the muck though you're going to get dirty.
- wallace_f 10y ago
  Historically speaking, moral righteousness has always been the primary argument for curtailing free speech.
  - sanswork 10y ago
    No one is talking about curtailing free speech they are talking about a private platform not wanting to promote that speech anymore.