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I took a look at their sub. I couldn't find any hate speech (though I ignored heavily downvoted comments). I'm also suspicious of "coded hate speech" since that

I took a look at their sub. I couldn't find any hate speech (though I ignored heavily downvoted comments). I'm also suspicious of "coded hate speech" since that concept grants license to attach racist connotations to just about any sentence. Is there a post on r/The_Donald that stands out to you as being hate speech?

batiudrami 10y ago
It's typically the commenters. /r/The_Donald has rules which are supposed to stop hate speech (and typically they delete posts which are). However, with remarkable consistency, if you find someone spouting bigotry and hatred in another subreddit, they are almost always regular /r/The_Donald posters.
- rrggrr 10y ago
  If this is argument for banning the subreddit, as opposed to the user, its no less scary than the offensive speech.
  - batiudrami 10y ago
    why? they did it for /r/fatpeoplehate for the same reason and it significantly improved reddit.
jballanc 10y ago
I was curious. So I looked. This was the top non-stickied post I saw: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5fltt9/amy_schumer_and_lena_dunham_are_finally_leaving/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5fltt9/amy_schu... To save others the trouble, the title of the post is "Amy Schumer And Lena Dunham Are Finally Leaving The Country" and the image is of two orca whales being prepared for transport. The very non-coded message is that these two women are "as fat as whales" and furthermore that they deserve to be derided based on physical appearance because of their expressed political opinions. I'm no lawyer, but I think that's treading awfully close to "hate speech".
- rrggrr 10y ago
  Its a fine line between protecting the oppressed and being oppressive. When you misapply "hate speech" by using it to describe satire, or humor in bad taste, you run the risk of losing the "hate speech" tool to devaluation, blow-back and more satire. Some things deserve a response and others really are best ignored.
  - jballanc 10y ago
    Agree completely. Where I have a problem with r/The_Donald is more than any one post, there are patterns that have emerged over time. Hence others calling out "coded hate speech", a concept which I am even more uncomfortable with than "borderline" hate speech. That said, the very colloquialism they use to refer to the opposition ("cuck") is merely a shortened form of a term ("cuckold") with a very long history of being a base insult with rather heavy connotations of misogyny. (i.e. Being "cuckolded", a man whose female partner has exhibited infidelity, is taken as a sign of weakness whereas being a woman whose male partner sleeps around is just de rigueur to the point there's not even a special term for it.)
    - disposable235 10y ago
      You are reaching for some quite indirect logic here. As someone regularly frequenting 4chan I can assure you that the sole target of the cuck insult is the male's pride. Of course it being a sexul insult it is practically unavoidable that values and the female partner are indirectly involved in how the insult works. Well, technically homosexual couples can also cuck each other, and I have seen the term occasionally used in discussion about homosexual manga. So it really is not about the female. Hell, even the fairly juvenile "ur mom" is more negative towards females than "cuck". When women are attacked you will notice. Slut and whale are still the go-to insults. So please do not shoehorn gender issues into everything. Sure, some assumptions are encoded into it. But it's a goddamn insult, not some friendly disagreement in a debate club. Please adjust your context sensitivity.
- faggotfromspace 10y ago
  It's a joke; which if not self-evident should be by the comments. jballanc, your comments are offensive to me... now, I'm no lawyer, but I think your comment is awfully close to hate speech.
wnevets 10y ago
https://i.redd.it/qhilg1rxa5gx.jpg https://i.redd.it/qhilg1rxa5gx.jpg looks like hate speech to me.

batiudrami 10y ago

It's typically the commenters. /r/The_Donald has rules which are supposed to stop hate speech (and typically they delete posts which are). However, with remarkable consistency, if you find someone spouting bigotry and hatred in another subreddit, they are almost always regular /r/The_Donald posters.

rrggrr 10y ago
If this is argument for banning the subreddit, as opposed to the user, its no less scary than the offensive speech.
- batiudrami 10y ago
  why? they did it for /r/fatpeoplehate for the same reason and it significantly improved reddit.

jballanc 10y ago

I was curious. So I looked. This was the top non-stickied post I saw: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5fltt9/amy_schumer_and_lena_dunham_are_finally_leaving/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5fltt9/amy_schu... To save others the trouble, the title of the post is "Amy Schumer And Lena Dunham Are Finally Leaving The Country" and the image is of two orca whales being prepared for transport. The very non-coded message is that these two women are "as fat as whales" and furthermore that they deserve to be derided based on physical appearance because of their expressed political opinions. I'm no lawyer, but I think that's treading awfully close to "hate speech".

rrggrr 10y ago
Its a fine line between protecting the oppressed and being oppressive. When you misapply "hate speech" by using it to describe satire, or humor in bad taste, you run the risk of losing the "hate speech" tool to devaluation, blow-back and more satire. Some things deserve a response and others really are best ignored.
- jballanc 10y ago
  Agree completely. Where I have a problem with r/The_Donald is more than any one post, there are patterns that have emerged over time. Hence others calling out "coded hate speech", a concept which I am even more uncomfortable with than "borderline" hate speech. That said, the very colloquialism they use to refer to the opposition ("cuck") is merely a shortened form of a term ("cuckold") with a very long history of being a base insult with rather heavy connotations of misogyny. (i.e. Being "cuckolded", a man whose female partner has exhibited infidelity, is taken as a sign of weakness whereas being a woman whose male partner sleeps around is just de rigueur to the point there's not even a special term for it.)
  - disposable235 10y ago
    You are reaching for some quite indirect logic here. As someone regularly frequenting 4chan I can assure you that the sole target of the cuck insult is the male's pride. Of course it being a sexul insult it is practically unavoidable that values and the female partner are indirectly involved in how the insult works. Well, technically homosexual couples can also cuck each other, and I have seen the term occasionally used in discussion about homosexual manga. So it really is not about the female. Hell, even the fairly juvenile "ur mom" is more negative towards females than "cuck". When women are attacked you will notice. Slut and whale are still the go-to insults. So please do not shoehorn gender issues into everything. Sure, some assumptions are encoded into it. But it's a goddamn insult, not some friendly disagreement in a debate club. Please adjust your context sensitivity.
faggotfromspace 10y ago
It's a joke; which if not self-evident should be by the comments. jballanc, your comments are offensive to me... now, I'm no lawyer, but I think your comment is awfully close to hate speech.

wnevets 10y ago

https://i.redd.it/qhilg1rxa5gx.jpg https://i.redd.it/qhilg1rxa5gx.jpg looks like hate speech to me.