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> Anyone have experience using Sailfish OS? Yes, I use SailfishOS as my daily driver. I should note that I'm a Linux user, and developer, so I am technical. S

by maheart 10y ago

> Anyone have experience using Sailfish OS? Yes, I use SailfishOS as my daily driver. I should note that I'm a Linux user, and developer, so I am technical. SailfishOS satisfies all my technical requirements. Admittedly there are things that I would like (e.g. containerising/jailing functionality), but I understand that Jolla has limited manpower. It meets all my communication requirements, and developing for it is awesome (I don't use that word lightly). > Any reason to think it wouldn't end up like Firefox OS? I don't know about FirefoxOS, but SailfishOS, thanks in a large part to Nokia before it, has a strong community from the Maemo and Meego days. e.g. https://talk.maemo.org/ https://talk.maemo.org/ and https://together.jolla.com https://together.jolla.com ; also checkout the IRC channels on Freenode. The community is very smart and dedicated. I think with a fully opensource SailfishOS, it could continue to maintain the OS without corporate sponsorship (i.e. Jolla). To give credit to Jolla, they really help accelerate development of GNU/Linux on the mobile.

baronseng 10y ago
So what device are you using to run sailfish? I wonder how easy to install it on snapdragon 821 devices.
- maheart 10y ago
  > So what device are you using to run sailfish? My daily driver is a Jolla1. I also own the Intex Aquafish, which I'm keeping as a backup. > I wonder how easy to install it on snapdragon 821 devices. You can find information on ports here: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris
  - gnipgnip 10y ago
    Sweet ! I didn't realize Intex was making phones with Sailfish. This looks like a cheap alternative to the much loved Nokia N9. (https://www.flipkart.com/intex-aqua-fish-orange-16-gb/p/itmehyg3mrmyfq9q?pid=MOBEHYG3ASSTKXBD https://www.flipkart.com/intex-aqua-fish-orange-16-gb/p/itme...)
- shmerl 10y ago
  Nexus 5 runs it pretty well.
dispose13432 10y ago
>I don't know about FirefoxOS, but SailfishOS, thanks in a large part to Nokia before it, has a strong community from the Maemo and Meego days. e.g. https://talk.maemo.org/ https://talk.maemo.org/ and https://together.jolla.com https://together.jolla.com ; also checkout the IRC channels on Freenode. That's not the problem with Firefox OS. The problem was installing it on regular phones, and the subsequent lack of apps. If anything, Replicant makes much more sense as an OS OS.
- maheart 10y ago
  > That's not the problem with Firefox OS. The problem was installing it on regular phones, and the subsequent lack of apps. You're right, I misinterpreted your question. I cannot see how Jolla can overcome the difficulty of getting SailfishOS onto regular phones. I personally don't think SailfishOS needs 10% market share. It needs 1% market share, with a dedicated following. Similar to how Linux is on the desktop. I'm hopeful that SailfishOS becomes mature enough that you can install it onto existing phones relatively easily; similar to how people tried Linux on their desktop PCs in the 2000s.
  - forgotpwtomain 10y ago
    Linux is pretty awful on desktop. I only put up with it because it's worth putting hours for a tool I use 50+ hours a week. There is no way to justify that kind of timesink for a mobile device.
    - ekianjo 10y ago
      awful for what?
      - forgotpwtomain 10y ago
        > awful for what? Seriously? Everything you do outside the terminal? Maybe stuff that just works on Windows/Mac OSX? Like connecting peripherals, printers, Android phones? Dual video card support? Kernel support for new Intel CPU's? Support for HD monitors / screens? There is a reason Linux isn't gaining any market-share on desktop..
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na85 10y ago
My understanding is that Jolla phones still have proprietary basebands and are thus no more secure than any other phone, since the GSM spec includes silent remote file pushing and the baseband chip has more or less unfettered access to the system.
- maheart 10y ago
  That's correct. Currently both Android and iOS provide better security features than SailfishOS. The only security "advantage" that SailfishOS currently has, is obscurity. I use SailfishOS because: 1) I prefer programming for GNU/Linux over Android or iOS 2) I prefer a decentralised development model (SailfishOS is made up of software by Red Hat, Intel, Mozilla, etc.) 3) I prefer the tight-knit, open, hacker community around SailfishOS/Maemo/Meego

by maheart 10y ago

baronseng 10y ago

So what device are you using to run sailfish? I wonder how easy to install it on snapdragon 821 devices.

maheart 10y ago
> So what device are you using to run sailfish? My daily driver is a Jolla1. I also own the Intex Aquafish, which I'm keeping as a backup. > I wonder how easy to install it on snapdragon 821 devices. You can find information on ports here: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris
- gnipgnip 10y ago
  Sweet ! I didn't realize Intex was making phones with Sailfish. This looks like a cheap alternative to the much loved Nokia N9. (https://www.flipkart.com/intex-aqua-fish-orange-16-gb/p/itmehyg3mrmyfq9q?pid=MOBEHYG3ASSTKXBD https://www.flipkart.com/intex-aqua-fish-orange-16-gb/p/itme...)
shmerl 10y ago
Nexus 5 runs it pretty well.

dispose13432 10y ago

>I don't know about FirefoxOS, but SailfishOS, thanks in a large part to Nokia before it, has a strong community from the Maemo and Meego days. e.g. https://talk.maemo.org/ https://talk.maemo.org/ and https://together.jolla.com https://together.jolla.com ; also checkout the IRC channels on Freenode. That's not the problem with Firefox OS. The problem was installing it on regular phones, and the subsequent lack of apps. If anything, Replicant makes much more sense as an OS OS.

maheart 10y ago
> That's not the problem with Firefox OS. The problem was installing it on regular phones, and the subsequent lack of apps. You're right, I misinterpreted your question. I cannot see how Jolla can overcome the difficulty of getting SailfishOS onto regular phones. I personally don't think SailfishOS needs 10% market share. It needs 1% market share, with a dedicated following. Similar to how Linux is on the desktop. I'm hopeful that SailfishOS becomes mature enough that you can install it onto existing phones relatively easily; similar to how people tried Linux on their desktop PCs in the 2000s.
- forgotpwtomain 10y ago
  Linux is pretty awful on desktop. I only put up with it because it's worth putting hours for a tool I use 50+ hours a week. There is no way to justify that kind of timesink for a mobile device.
  - ekianjo 10y ago
    awful for what?
    - forgotpwtomain 10y ago
      > awful for what? Seriously? Everything you do outside the terminal? Maybe stuff that just works on Windows/Mac OSX? Like connecting peripherals, printers, Android phones? Dual video card support? Kernel support for new Intel CPU's? Support for HD monitors / screens? There is a reason Linux isn't gaining any market-share on desktop..

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na85 10y ago

My understanding is that Jolla phones still have proprietary basebands and are thus no more secure than any other phone, since the GSM spec includes silent remote file pushing and the baseband chip has more or less unfettered access to the system.

maheart 10y ago
That's correct. Currently both Android and iOS provide better security features than SailfishOS. The only security "advantage" that SailfishOS currently has, is obscurity. I use SailfishOS because: 1) I prefer programming for GNU/Linux over Android or iOS 2) I prefer a decentralised development model (SailfishOS is made up of software by Red Hat, Intel, Mozilla, etc.) 3) I prefer the tight-knit, open, hacker community around SailfishOS/Maemo/Meego