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Um, I don't think Israel "pulled out of their occupation." I'm pretty sure that Gaza's borders are completely sealed by the Israeli military as is their airspac

Um, I don't think Israel "pulled out of their occupation." I'm pretty sure that Gaza's borders are completely sealed by the Israeli military as is their airspace. There might not be Israeli soldiers inside Gaza, but the occupation continues as long as Israel maintains complete control over airspace and borders.

adrianwaj 17y ago
That's just too bad for Gaza. Hamas will have to learn how to stop firing rockets into Israel's airspace. What sort of borders were you hoping for?
- MichaelSalib 17y ago
  My hopes are irrelevant to the discussion. My point was that your claim is inaccurate. If you're unwilling to make factual claims, than maybe you shouldn't participate in this discussion. The world needs neither more ignorance nor more lies when discussing global conflicts.
  - adrianwaj 17y ago
    What parts are inaccurate, Michael?
    - MichaelSalib 17y ago
      The part about Israel ending its occupation. Removing soldiers from Gaza is insufficient to end the occupation. At least, according to the UN, Human Rights Watch, and scores of NGOs.
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      - adrianwaj 17y ago
        Those organizations are basically just inconsolable, fixated and merciless Israel-bashers. I don't buy into their rhetoric, and you shouldn't either. The Israeli army said the Palestinians had stopped buying fuel in recent days after Hamas failed to pay its share of the costs. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100409/wl_mideast_afp/mideastconflictgazaelectricity http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100409/wl_mideast_afp/mideastc... Israel is the victim, and it is far too accommodating with the murderers at her doorsteps.
        jbooth 17y ago
        Your absolutist proclamations are a good example of what's wrong on all sides of the equation. Israel is a victim to some extent, yeah. But until Israel ends the blockade of Gaza and lets them trade freely from their own coastline, they're still under occupation.
        adrianwaj 17y ago
        until Israel ends the blockade of Gaza and lets them trade freely from their own coastline, they're still under occupation such a moronic statement on Hacker News, I'm shocked. Do you think trade is stifled just so people like you can shout demands at Israel, a country at war, from the sidelines?
        jbooth 17y ago
        I've been to Israel. I have several friends who've been participants in said war, up to and including firing their weapons and hurting/killing people. I've felt the irrational random fear on a public bus that makes a mockery of all the people who claim to be afraid of terror in America. My statement stands. If you have nothing to say about it other than to call it "moronic", maybe you should try learning something yourself. Protip: War is not football, you don't pick a side and root, you hope that it ends so there will be less suffering.
        adrianwaj 17y ago
        A moronic statement indeed, you "try learning something yourself," and you stop with "absolutist proclamations." Tip: you end a war by winning, not losing. Loser.

adrianwaj 17y ago

That's just too bad for Gaza. Hamas will have to learn how to stop firing rockets into Israel's airspace. What sort of borders were you hoping for?

MichaelSalib 17y ago
My hopes are irrelevant to the discussion. My point was that your claim is inaccurate. If you're unwilling to make factual claims, than maybe you shouldn't participate in this discussion. The world needs neither more ignorance nor more lies when discussing global conflicts.
- adrianwaj 17y ago
  What parts are inaccurate, Michael?
  - MichaelSalib 17y ago
    The part about Israel ending its occupation. Removing soldiers from Gaza is insufficient to end the occupation. At least, according to the UN, Human Rights Watch, and scores of NGOs.
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    - adrianwaj 17y ago
      Those organizations are basically just inconsolable, fixated and merciless Israel-bashers. I don't buy into their rhetoric, and you shouldn't either. The Israeli army said the Palestinians had stopped buying fuel in recent days after Hamas failed to pay its share of the costs. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100409/wl_mideast_afp/mideastconflictgazaelectricity http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100409/wl_mideast_afp/mideastc... Israel is the victim, and it is far too accommodating with the murderers at her doorsteps.
      - jbooth 17y ago
        Your absolutist proclamations are a good example of what's wrong on all sides of the equation. Israel is a victim to some extent, yeah. But until Israel ends the blockade of Gaza and lets them trade freely from their own coastline, they're still under occupation.
        adrianwaj 17y ago
        until Israel ends the blockade of Gaza and lets them trade freely from their own coastline, they're still under occupation such a moronic statement on Hacker News, I'm shocked. Do you think trade is stifled just so people like you can shout demands at Israel, a country at war, from the sidelines?
        jbooth 17y ago
        I've been to Israel. I have several friends who've been participants in said war, up to and including firing their weapons and hurting/killing people. I've felt the irrational random fear on a public bus that makes a mockery of all the people who claim to be afraid of terror in America. My statement stands. If you have nothing to say about it other than to call it "moronic", maybe you should try learning something yourself. Protip: War is not football, you don't pick a side and root, you hope that it ends so there will be less suffering.
        adrianwaj 17y ago
        A moronic statement indeed, you "try learning something yourself," and you stop with "absolutist proclamations." Tip: you end a war by winning, not losing. Loser.