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Ask HN: What is the essential ability gap between the elite and the public in US?

4 points by sammyjiang 10y ago

roschdal 10y ago
Money.
kohanz 10y ago
Lineage?
SHOwnsYou 10y ago
Access to capital. Pay to play is very real in a number of sectors.
joeclark77 10y ago
There's no "ability gap" between the "elite" and the "public". The reason the "elite" have had such a bad year in Britain, the USA, and elsewhere is that they have proven themselves manifestly incompetent. The real skills gap is between the, I don't know, maybe ninety percent of us who work in office jobs and could be easily replaced, compared to the maybe ten percent who have really invested in learning their trades (whether it be rocket science or plumbing) and cannot be easily replaced. My generation (GenX) was taught when we were kids that we should be "knowledge workers" and get paid a lot for doing very little. The end result is, most of us are in jobs where if we quit tomorrow, the boss could have a replacement hired in a month. We were pushed to be "generalists" with the idea that we could have a whole bunch of different careers, rather than spending our lives doing one thing. But the joke's on us: those people who spend their lives doing just one thing are the ones most valuable to the world.
niftich 10y ago
This is a leading question because it pre-supposes that there is an ability gap; this gap has not been demonstrated, but a different gulf notes that people who get undergraduate degrees from prestigious institutions consistently earn more than others [1], even if some of those people get advanced degrees from prestigious schools later. Elites have access to social connections that most ordinary people don't -- both in quality and quantity. This is the most defining advantage that they possess over the public, albeit money and name recognition don't hurt either. [1] https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2473238 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2473238
AnimalMuppet 10y ago
As nifitich said, contacts. And this is why elite schools are worth it for the elite. You may or may not get a better education there, but you meet better contacts there. (You make contacts at a state school too, but the contacts you make are people who went to a state school, not people who went to an elite university.) Also, knowledge about how to run organizations.
jstewartmobile 10y ago
Upper-class acquaintances typically haven't had to worry about making bank straight out of school, so they can take time to study the liberal arts things that give people a broader perspective. They may not know how to execute, but they have plenty of ideas on what to do, and enough cash and connections to pay others for the "know-how." Middle-class acquaintances all went directly into something that pays the bills: trades, engineering, law, etc. They know how to do things, but not what to do. They all work for the man.

4 points by sammyjiang 10y ago

roschdal 10y ago

Money.

kohanz 10y ago

Lineage?

SHOwnsYou 10y ago

Access to capital. Pay to play is very real in a number of sectors.

joeclark77 10y ago

There's no "ability gap" between the "elite" and the "public". The reason the "elite" have had such a bad year in Britain, the USA, and elsewhere is that they have proven themselves manifestly incompetent. The real skills gap is between the, I don't know, maybe ninety percent of us who work in office jobs and could be easily replaced, compared to the maybe ten percent who have really invested in learning their trades (whether it be rocket science or plumbing) and cannot be easily replaced. My generation (GenX) was taught when we were kids that we should be "knowledge workers" and get paid a lot for doing very little. The end result is, most of us are in jobs where if we quit tomorrow, the boss could have a replacement hired in a month. We were pushed to be "generalists" with the idea that we could have a whole bunch of different careers, rather than spending our lives doing one thing. But the joke's on us: those people who spend their lives doing just one thing are the ones most valuable to the world.

niftich 10y ago

This is a leading question because it pre-supposes that there is an ability gap; this gap has not been demonstrated, but a different gulf notes that people who get undergraduate degrees from prestigious institutions consistently earn more than others [1], even if some of those people get advanced degrees from prestigious schools later. Elites have access to social connections that most ordinary people don't -- both in quality and quantity. This is the most defining advantage that they possess over the public, albeit money and name recognition don't hurt either. [1] https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2473238 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2473238

AnimalMuppet 10y ago

As nifitich said, contacts. And this is why elite schools are worth it for the elite. You may or may not get a better education there, but you meet better contacts there. (You make contacts at a state school too, but the contacts you make are people who went to a state school, not people who went to an elite university.) Also, knowledge about how to run organizations.

jstewartmobile 10y ago

Upper-class acquaintances typically haven't had to worry about making bank straight out of school, so they can take time to study the liberal arts things that give people a broader perspective. They may not know how to execute, but they have plenty of ideas on what to do, and enough cash and connections to pay others for the "know-how." Middle-class acquaintances all went directly into something that pays the bills: trades, engineering, law, etc. They know how to do things, but not what to do. They all work for the man.