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Another indication that Apple is no longer committed to professional customers of their computer line and their needs - iDevices get the required admin tools, b

by iSnow 10y ago

Another indication that Apple is no longer committed to professional customers of their computer line and their needs - iDevices get the required admin tools, but the target demographics for their computers are consumers and web dev shops where everyone tends to their systems.

chillacy 10y ago
I'd be good with less corporate governance on the machine they issued me, more in line with what google does. The windows machines are unusable with all the forced updating, antivirus inefficiencies, and basically spyware. The Macbooks are on their way there, though you can at least still unload the kexts today
- blauditore 10y ago
  > The windows machines are unusable with all the forced updating, antivirus inefficiencies, and basically spyware. Hardly ever had such problems on machines I was able to manage myself. I'm not sure what you're referring to by "forced updating"; the W10 upgrade or just regular updates?
  - johnward 10y ago
    Are they referring to corporate policies/software forcing updates?
    - chillacy 10y ago
      Yes. Corporate IT will install extra software on the machine which does this kind of thing. On the macs, there's an auto-updater which forces a restart with a countdown, no way to stop it. Its not by Apple for sure, based on how jankey it looks, but terminating the process will prevent the restart. The worst is spyware which randomly spins up one of the CPUs to 100% for 10 mins every few hours while it runs du.
      - johnward 10y ago
        We get updates through a corporate AppStore and they function like normal Apple updates. I can choose when to install, etc. I found the software underneath (https://www.jamf.com/solutions/technologies/mac-management/ https://www.jamf.com/solutions/technologies/mac-management/). Sounds like a better UX than what you got stuck with. The spyware on my personal phone so that I can read corporate email is pretty asinine though.
  - cptskippy 10y ago
    My company uses a product called LanDesk to manage updates on machines instead of WSUS. It pops up at least once a week if not once a day and says that I have to reboot. It gives me 60 seconds to choose to reboot now or postpone the reboot boot for 4 hours but you can only postpone 3 times before it automatically reboots. If you don't act in those 60 seconds, the system reboots. It doesn't matter if you were getting coffee or having a bio break. It doesn't initiate the system shutdown command or at least doesn't wait long enough to allow programs like Outlook to safely shutdown so I've had corrupted mail files that needed to be rebuilt because of it. Further more, LanDesk has a vulnerability scanner and remote administration utility that are both always running. On top of that we use McAfee's virus and malware scanner and firewall. Cisco's Web Security Agent that monitors all network traffic. And a product called WebSense which as near as I can tell logs everything you do in browser. We deal with PCI, PII, and HIPPA related information though and they pretty much require this kind of nonsense. Idk, the whole Windows 10 "spying" and "forced" update policies seems insignificant by comparison.
    - blauditore 10y ago
      Yeah, I've seen such stuff too, and I hate it. Such setups are part of the reason for Windows' bad reputation. IMO, too strong security measures tend to reduce security at some point, because users get annoyed and try to circumvent them. A blank W10 installation with Avast is blazingly fast and quite reasonable with update handling. A lot has changed since Vista, or even 7 and 8.
    - module0000 10y ago
      You listed the exact set of crap installed on our workstations when I worked for Blue Cross & Blue Shield...then you threw HIPPA out there and really sent it home. Do you work for a medical insurance company?
      - cptskippy 10y ago
        Nope, a non profit charity.
Remmib 10y ago
I do not know why Google doesn't just come in and absolutely dominate Apple in the 'laptop geared towards developers'-market... The Chromebook Pixel 2 is absolutely gorgeous, but it still comes with a prohibitively small SSD. They need to develop their own super-robust and sexy Linux distro and drop the ChromeOS nonsense. I just can't figure out why they aren't doing this.
- Ralfp 10y ago
  Also give me photoshop because I work with PSD's plenty and I'm tempted.
  - EasyTiger_ 10y ago
    Hell give me the whole Adobe CC suite
- johnward 10y ago
  No one thinks there is much value in the developer market?
- iainmerrick 10y ago
  They need to develop their own super-robust and sexy Linux distro and drop the ChromeOS nonsense. That would be great, but I don't think they have the expertise in-house for that right now -- they'd have to ramp up and that's a slow process.
- tdkl 10y ago
  Their revenue comes from ads and cloud. They have 0 incentive doing anything for desktop OS.
- digi_owl 10y ago
  They may be heading that way with Android given recent changes.
- adamlett 10y ago
  "I do not know why Google doesn't just come in and absolutely dominate Apple in the 'laptop geared towards developers'-market" There could be many reasons. Off the top of my head: * Google is not a devices company (disregarding recent forays into the the high end smartphone market), but a services company. It's not in their DNA to this, and it doesn't fit their (current) business model. The don't have the required hardware competences, nor the required sales or distribution organisations. * Even if Google had the required competences to do this, it's highly doubtful that it's a worthwhile pursuit. The "pro" market is not big, its probably not growing, and the competition is fierce. To the extend that Apple neglects this market, its probably because the ROI is too low. To make hardware that seriously challenges Apple (and other PC manufacturers) requires large investments. * It doesn't support Google's other businesses. Google is already present on all the existing platforms. They are not going to sell more ads doing this.

by iSnow 10y ago

chillacy 10y ago

I'd be good with less corporate governance on the machine they issued me, more in line with what google does. The windows machines are unusable with all the forced updating, antivirus inefficiencies, and basically spyware. The Macbooks are on their way there, though you can at least still unload the kexts today

blauditore 10y ago
> The windows machines are unusable with all the forced updating, antivirus inefficiencies, and basically spyware. Hardly ever had such problems on machines I was able to manage myself. I'm not sure what you're referring to by "forced updating"; the W10 upgrade or just regular updates?
- johnward 10y ago
  Are they referring to corporate policies/software forcing updates?
  - chillacy 10y ago
    Yes. Corporate IT will install extra software on the machine which does this kind of thing. On the macs, there's an auto-updater which forces a restart with a countdown, no way to stop it. Its not by Apple for sure, based on how jankey it looks, but terminating the process will prevent the restart. The worst is spyware which randomly spins up one of the CPUs to 100% for 10 mins every few hours while it runs du.
    - johnward 10y ago
      We get updates through a corporate AppStore and they function like normal Apple updates. I can choose when to install, etc. I found the software underneath (https://www.jamf.com/solutions/technologies/mac-management/ https://www.jamf.com/solutions/technologies/mac-management/). Sounds like a better UX than what you got stuck with. The spyware on my personal phone so that I can read corporate email is pretty asinine though.
- cptskippy 10y ago
  My company uses a product called LanDesk to manage updates on machines instead of WSUS. It pops up at least once a week if not once a day and says that I have to reboot. It gives me 60 seconds to choose to reboot now or postpone the reboot boot for 4 hours but you can only postpone 3 times before it automatically reboots. If you don't act in those 60 seconds, the system reboots. It doesn't matter if you were getting coffee or having a bio break. It doesn't initiate the system shutdown command or at least doesn't wait long enough to allow programs like Outlook to safely shutdown so I've had corrupted mail files that needed to be rebuilt because of it. Further more, LanDesk has a vulnerability scanner and remote administration utility that are both always running. On top of that we use McAfee's virus and malware scanner and firewall. Cisco's Web Security Agent that monitors all network traffic. And a product called WebSense which as near as I can tell logs everything you do in browser. We deal with PCI, PII, and HIPPA related information though and they pretty much require this kind of nonsense. Idk, the whole Windows 10 "spying" and "forced" update policies seems insignificant by comparison.
  - blauditore 10y ago
    Yeah, I've seen such stuff too, and I hate it. Such setups are part of the reason for Windows' bad reputation. IMO, too strong security measures tend to reduce security at some point, because users get annoyed and try to circumvent them. A blank W10 installation with Avast is blazingly fast and quite reasonable with update handling. A lot has changed since Vista, or even 7 and 8.
  - module0000 10y ago
    You listed the exact set of crap installed on our workstations when I worked for Blue Cross & Blue Shield...then you threw HIPPA out there and really sent it home. Do you work for a medical insurance company?
    - cptskippy 10y ago
      Nope, a non profit charity.

Remmib 10y ago

I do not know why Google doesn't just come in and absolutely dominate Apple in the 'laptop geared towards developers'-market... The Chromebook Pixel 2 is absolutely gorgeous, but it still comes with a prohibitively small SSD. They need to develop their own super-robust and sexy Linux distro and drop the ChromeOS nonsense. I just can't figure out why they aren't doing this.

Ralfp 10y ago
Also give me photoshop because I work with PSD's plenty and I'm tempted.
- EasyTiger_ 10y ago
  Hell give me the whole Adobe CC suite
johnward 10y ago
No one thinks there is much value in the developer market?
iainmerrick 10y ago
They need to develop their own super-robust and sexy Linux distro and drop the ChromeOS nonsense. That would be great, but I don't think they have the expertise in-house for that right now -- they'd have to ramp up and that's a slow process.
tdkl 10y ago
Their revenue comes from ads and cloud. They have 0 incentive doing anything for desktop OS.
digi_owl 10y ago
They may be heading that way with Android given recent changes.
adamlett 10y ago
"I do not know why Google doesn't just come in and absolutely dominate Apple in the 'laptop geared towards developers'-market" There could be many reasons. Off the top of my head: * Google is not a devices company (disregarding recent forays into the the high end smartphone market), but a services company. It's not in their DNA to this, and it doesn't fit their (current) business model. The don't have the required hardware competences, nor the required sales or distribution organisations. * Even if Google had the required competences to do this, it's highly doubtful that it's a worthwhile pursuit. The "pro" market is not big, its probably not growing, and the competition is fierce. To the extend that Apple neglects this market, its probably because the ROI is too low. To make hardware that seriously challenges Apple (and other PC manufacturers) requires large investments. * It doesn't support Google's other businesses. Google is already present on all the existing platforms. They are not going to sell more ads doing this.