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Only operating system left that gives semblance of privacy and security. You mean the operating system where with the default display server any application ca

Only operating system left that gives semblance of privacy and security. You mean the operating system where with the default display server any application can read keystrokes, read mouse events, and make screen grabs of any other application? The operating system where no apps are sandboxed by default? The operating system where once you find a local root exploit, which are not rare, you can embed a root kit deep in the operating system? Sorry for the harsh comment, but Linux is hardly the pinnacle of security. (Perhaps with rare exceptions like Qubes or RHEL with SELinux on servers.)

bitmapbrother 10y ago
No, he means the OS that runs the Internet, powers the majority of enterprise systems and inside nearly all of the of embedded and IOT devices.
- mavhc 10y ago
  Should probably keep quiet about the IoT part.
- danieldk 10y ago
  And Windows runs on the vast majority of desktops, so what is your point?
  - cmdrfred 10y ago
    Who will have a desktop in 10 years? (Besides developers)
    - pshc 10y ago
      Most professionals?
      - cmdrfred 10y ago
        Why not laptops with docking stations? That's what I see more and more recently.
        Grishnakh 10y ago
        That's the same thing. There is no OS I'm aware of that has separate versions for "laptops" and "desktops"; a laptop IS a "desktop" these days, as opposed to a "mobile device" running a mobile OS (Android/iOS).
        mavhc 10y ago
        13 year old kids around here all call desktops laptops anyway
devoply 10y ago
> can read keystrokes, read mouse events, and make screen grabs of any other applic As compared to Windows in which an app can't do that? > The operating system where no apps are sandboxed by default? As compared to Windows or Mac where apps are sandboxed by default? > The operating system where once you find a local root exploit, which are not rare, you can embed a root kit deep in the operating system? As a desktop user, not sure how this applies. Windows has rootkits as does Mac. However, every time I boot my computer my computer doesn't call home. I am also not worried about government agencies having unfettered access to my machine as a default setting. With Windows I don't know that. When I install Mac I give them my e-mail address and thereby my identity just to install the operating system. They also have my credit card number. When a Mac calls home they have my IP. So anything I do online can be traced by to my identity as a default setting through Apple... a company not located in my country. As I said a semblance of security and privacy. Better than no semblance which at this point is the case with Windows and Mac. I know it's not real security, but best that no money can buy at this time. I also have Windows. It's for playing old games... Surprising they still work after 15 years.
- CJefferson 10y ago
  > As compared to Windows in which an app can't do that (read keystrokes of other apps) Yes, Apps can't do that. > As compared to Windows or Mac where apps are sandboxed by default? Yes, apps from both the windows and mac App Stores are sandboxed. I'm not sure what your point is. I'm not saying Windows is perfect at all, but the GUI security is better. If nothing else, consider the classic ctrl+alt+delete, which no app can catch. On Linux there is no way to be sure the 'login' you are seeing isn't a program someone has installed to capture logins. On Windows I know the login is genuine if I press ctrl+alt+delete.
  - tokenizerrr 10y ago
    > Yes, Apps can't do that. I have AutoHotKey and ShareX. The first reads keystrokes from anywhere, and the second takes screenshots from anywhere and anything. It's pretty clear that Windows applications most definitely can do that.

bitmapbrother 10y ago

No, he means the OS that runs the Internet, powers the majority of enterprise systems and inside nearly all of the of embedded and IOT devices.

mavhc 10y ago
Should probably keep quiet about the IoT part.
danieldk 10y ago
And Windows runs on the vast majority of desktops, so what is your point?
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  Who will have a desktop in 10 years? (Besides developers)
  - pshc 10y ago
    Most professionals?
    - cmdrfred 10y ago
      Why not laptops with docking stations? That's what I see more and more recently.
      - Grishnakh 10y ago
        That's the same thing. There is no OS I'm aware of that has separate versions for "laptops" and "desktops"; a laptop IS a "desktop" these days, as opposed to a "mobile device" running a mobile OS (Android/iOS).
        mavhc 10y ago
        13 year old kids around here all call desktops laptops anyway

devoply 10y ago

> can read keystrokes, read mouse events, and make screen grabs of any other applic As compared to Windows in which an app can't do that? > The operating system where no apps are sandboxed by default? As compared to Windows or Mac where apps are sandboxed by default? > The operating system where once you find a local root exploit, which are not rare, you can embed a root kit deep in the operating system? As a desktop user, not sure how this applies. Windows has rootkits as does Mac. However, every time I boot my computer my computer doesn't call home. I am also not worried about government agencies having unfettered access to my machine as a default setting. With Windows I don't know that. When I install Mac I give them my e-mail address and thereby my identity just to install the operating system. They also have my credit card number. When a Mac calls home they have my IP. So anything I do online can be traced by to my identity as a default setting through Apple... a company not located in my country. As I said a semblance of security and privacy. Better than no semblance which at this point is the case with Windows and Mac. I know it's not real security, but best that no money can buy at this time. I also have Windows. It's for playing old games... Surprising they still work after 15 years.

CJefferson 10y ago
> As compared to Windows in which an app can't do that (read keystrokes of other apps) Yes, Apps can't do that. > As compared to Windows or Mac where apps are sandboxed by default? Yes, apps from both the windows and mac App Stores are sandboxed. I'm not sure what your point is. I'm not saying Windows is perfect at all, but the GUI security is better. If nothing else, consider the classic ctrl+alt+delete, which no app can catch. On Linux there is no way to be sure the 'login' you are seeing isn't a program someone has installed to capture logins. On Windows I know the login is genuine if I press ctrl+alt+delete.
- tokenizerrr 10y ago
  > Yes, Apps can't do that. I have AutoHotKey and ShareX. The first reads keystrokes from anywhere, and the second takes screenshots from anywhere and anything. It's pretty clear that Windows applications most definitely can do that.