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people need to stop being so sensitive and emotional. seems a reasonable person can answer any question properly; calmly deriving and ignoring the intent and j

by debt 10y ago

people need to stop being so sensitive and emotional. seems a reasonable person can answer any question properly; calmly deriving and ignoring the intent and just simply answering the question as truthfully as possible.

civilian 10y ago
I was listening to Joe Rogan and Scott Adam's podcast interview from a few days ago-- Scott thinks that people act irrationally and emotionally about 90% of the time, and are only objective maybe 10% of the time, and under narrow circumstances. One of the best pieces of advice I ever got was from a salesperson at my dad's office space. He said something like: "We're smart people here. And the clients we work for-- even when they're not objectively dumb, they still don't have as much experience as we do in the area we work in. It would be easy to throw up our hands and say 'phe! I can't worth with these idiots! They need to educate themselves and then get back to me.' But that's the thing. If you're the smarter one, you ought to be able to teach them and do a deal with them, despite their flaws." So let's say that you have mastered being objective, but you still have to work with people who are stuck with their emotions. Why not prime their thoughts so that they can think more objectively? That's all John Lilly is doing-- he's recognizing the situation and helping them along.
- drieddust 10y ago
  > If you're the smarter one, you ought to be able to teach them and do a deal with them, despite their flaws. While I agree with the premises, this is mostly not true in corporate environment. Most of the advice is ignored in favour of unrealistic goals which obviously are not met. But none the less it allows them to keep their jobs a little bit longer and when shit hits the fan, consultants gets blamed. Toxicity of corporate environment is so unbelievably high.
aninhumer 10y ago
It's not that simple. These sensitivities don't come out of nowhere. People learn to communicate in different environments, and so in a new environment, they can often make a lot of incorrect inferences. If someone is defensive at what you think are innocent questions, it's probably because they're used to communicating with people who only ask questions like that when they think something is wrong. In that context, trying to work out what the other person thinks is wrong and respond to it is potentially a more effective way to communicate than simply answering the question as posed. So if you encounter such a person, you can sneer and blame their inexperience if you like (and you're probably correct), but it's probably more effective to try and adapt your own communication.

by debt 10y ago

civilian 10y ago

I was listening to Joe Rogan and Scott Adam's podcast interview from a few days ago-- Scott thinks that people act irrationally and emotionally about 90% of the time, and are only objective maybe 10% of the time, and under narrow circumstances. One of the best pieces of advice I ever got was from a salesperson at my dad's office space. He said something like: "We're smart people here. And the clients we work for-- even when they're not objectively dumb, they still don't have as much experience as we do in the area we work in. It would be easy to throw up our hands and say 'phe! I can't worth with these idiots! They need to educate themselves and then get back to me.' But that's the thing. If you're the smarter one, you ought to be able to teach them and do a deal with them, despite their flaws." So let's say that you have mastered being objective, but you still have to work with people who are stuck with their emotions. Why not prime their thoughts so that they can think more objectively? That's all John Lilly is doing-- he's recognizing the situation and helping them along.

drieddust 10y ago
> If you're the smarter one, you ought to be able to teach them and do a deal with them, despite their flaws. While I agree with the premises, this is mostly not true in corporate environment. Most of the advice is ignored in favour of unrealistic goals which obviously are not met. But none the less it allows them to keep their jobs a little bit longer and when shit hits the fan, consultants gets blamed. Toxicity of corporate environment is so unbelievably high.

aninhumer 10y ago

It's not that simple. These sensitivities don't come out of nowhere. People learn to communicate in different environments, and so in a new environment, they can often make a lot of incorrect inferences. If someone is defensive at what you think are innocent questions, it's probably because they're used to communicating with people who only ask questions like that when they think something is wrong. In that context, trying to work out what the other person thinks is wrong and respond to it is potentially a more effective way to communicate than simply answering the question as posed. So if you encounter such a person, you can sneer and blame their inexperience if you like (and you're probably correct), but it's probably more effective to try and adapt your own communication.