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Any links or further explanation? Tried searching myself, but not enough to really go on. Couldn't think (specifically) how wearing them as jewelry could go wro

Any links or further explanation? Tried searching myself, but not enough to really go on. Couldn't think (specifically) how wearing them as jewelry could go wrong.

tptacek 10y ago
Sorry, as lip jewelry. It was in the CPSC filings.
- anigbrowl 10y ago
  I remember this from when they were first banned. But I just fail to see how it's the manufacturer's fault when they say 'don't do this, it's a really bad idea' and people just do it anyway. I know teenagers do stupid things, and that they're more likely to do stupid things in the name of fashion. I'm old enough to recall the 1980s when body art first took off and it became cool for guys to wear earrings without being a pirate or a gypsy. I pierced my own ears around this time, despite being warned about everything from the risk of infection to the possibility of illness by hitting an acupuncture point (a risk what was inexplicably not assumed to be true for girls). Well not only did I end up with holes in my ears but over a the years they did get infected on a few occasions when I didn't clean my earrings properly, and I had to clean out a small but painful and gross cyst. None of this is the fault of the people who manufacture earrings. No results yet on the acupuncture danger but after 30 years I'm beginning to think that warning may have been misplaced.
  - tptacek 10y ago
    I'm pretty ambivalent about this whole issue, but would like to point out that the ban was not on "magnets", but on these particular magnets when packaged and marketed as toys. There's a reason the CPSC banned lawn darts but not blowtorches or medical sharps or the safety pin you probably used to pierce your ear. There's not much ambiguity about the dangerous things the CPSC doesn't care about. But you can't say that about the magnets, which cause truly horrible medical calamities that most ordinary people do not expect. Also, not sure if we were just hiding on different ends of HN or whatever, but it's good to bump into you again!
  - startling 10y ago
    It's useful to reframe this from "the manufacturer's fault". Lawmakers have a clear decision to make: 1). Prevent this business from existing. 2). Allow toy magnets to exist, thereby allowing X children to die from swallowing toy magnets. I don't think this is ZenMagnet's fault. But I think placing a restriction on toy magnets is probably a net positive.
gpvos 10y ago
I could see how putting a magnet on both sides of your earlobe might squeeze it too much.

Any links or further explanation? Tried searching myself, but not enough to really go on. Couldn't think (specifically) how wearing them as jewelry could go wrong.

tptacek 10y ago

Sorry, as lip jewelry. It was in the CPSC filings.

anigbrowl 10y ago
I remember this from when they were first banned. But I just fail to see how it's the manufacturer's fault when they say 'don't do this, it's a really bad idea' and people just do it anyway. I know teenagers do stupid things, and that they're more likely to do stupid things in the name of fashion. I'm old enough to recall the 1980s when body art first took off and it became cool for guys to wear earrings without being a pirate or a gypsy. I pierced my own ears around this time, despite being warned about everything from the risk of infection to the possibility of illness by hitting an acupuncture point (a risk what was inexplicably not assumed to be true for girls). Well not only did I end up with holes in my ears but over a the years they did get infected on a few occasions when I didn't clean my earrings properly, and I had to clean out a small but painful and gross cyst. None of this is the fault of the people who manufacture earrings. No results yet on the acupuncture danger but after 30 years I'm beginning to think that warning may have been misplaced.
- tptacek 10y ago
  I'm pretty ambivalent about this whole issue, but would like to point out that the ban was not on "magnets", but on these particular magnets when packaged and marketed as toys. There's a reason the CPSC banned lawn darts but not blowtorches or medical sharps or the safety pin you probably used to pierce your ear. There's not much ambiguity about the dangerous things the CPSC doesn't care about. But you can't say that about the magnets, which cause truly horrible medical calamities that most ordinary people do not expect. Also, not sure if we were just hiding on different ends of HN or whatever, but it's good to bump into you again!
- startling 10y ago
  It's useful to reframe this from "the manufacturer's fault". Lawmakers have a clear decision to make: 1). Prevent this business from existing. 2). Allow toy magnets to exist, thereby allowing X children to die from swallowing toy magnets. I don't think this is ZenMagnet's fault. But I think placing a restriction on toy magnets is probably a net positive.

gpvos 10y ago

I could see how putting a magnet on both sides of your earlobe might squeeze it too much.