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>To finish, with you being a Jew, "What you mean 'we,' kemosabe?" You're very much correct to weasel word "kinda-technically-white". I like how you try to blam

>To finish, with you being a Jew, "What you mean 'we,' kemosabe?" You're very much correct to weasel word "kinda-technically-white". I like how you try to blame the Holocaust on the Left, and then admit that you're an alt-right neo-Nazi who fully intends that Jews be excluded if not eliminated from society.

hga 10y ago
Alt Right, yes, "neo-Nazi" member of it, AKA of the Alt White, no, and I challenge you to show where I said I was that. Not entirely enthused about Jews != "neo-Nazi", outside of fever swamps like the ADL. As for blaming the Holocaust on the Left, it's right there on the f+++ing label, and bald assertions will never convince us that National Socialism was not a part of the Left like International Socialism is. Or that the Left wasn't responsible for the majority of the 20th Century's genocides. Hmmm, were the Young Turks of the Left? On the other hand, while Imperial Japan was collectivist (which was sort of baked in the pie from ~1600 or so anyway), it wasn't of the Leftist flavor. But, yes, to the extent the inchoate Alt Right has a position on it, one of them is that Jews are to be "excluded if not eliminated from society", as in all societies that are not Israel. You've got your own homeland now, which we of the Alt West fully support, relocate yourself there. Specifically "diversity + proximity = war", and we want to avoid "war" such as it is or will be.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  Yeah, if you want to convince people you aren't an anti-Semite and neo-nazi, calling the ADL a "fever swamp" without some substantial supporting argument probably isn't the best place to start. Of course, following that up with calling for the mass exclusion of Jews from all societies other than that of the State of Israel is not helpful, either. And there'd be more consistency to your argument there if you argued that non-Jewish Whites should be, similarly, excluded from all societies other than those of the European continent.
  - hga 10y ago
    Their freak-out and blatant lying WRT to Bannon's appointment, which I admittedly didn't cite here, is quite enough for current evidence (but this had in general been noted earlier): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13054973 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13054973 And that's not even going into any detail about how they misportray Breitbart.com. Nor would I ever submit to allowing a single organization made out of fallible human beings as the sole arbitrator of who's neo-Nazi or not in this country. And I though the way this works is that if you make a side point without supplying fully footnoted evidence, you get challenged on it, not presumed guilty before having a chance to answer. You may not view this Alt Right position as "helpful", but We Don't Care. As Jews are starting to find out, unfortunately largely on the Left and WRT to Israel's right to existence (and note how much BDS sounds like a mental illness than a movement's acronym), the Holocaust Card is also Maxed Out, and they most certainly don't care. For that matter, you don't even have to go very many generations beyond mine for the Holocaust to be another footnote in history, just one of the many genocides of the 20th Century, instead of a formative part of ... the Zeitgeist? (Not sure what word to use here, and a German one is ... subpar.) As for your last point, there's no end to that rabbit hole, i.e. what about the Celts who used to occupy much of the European continent? And I'm not up on my history of this sort of thing, but who did they replace? And what about the poor Neanderthals, who only live in the DNA of some of us? That operationally about the worst issue with the Left, they have no limiting principles, there is never a point where "enough" has been reached.
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      Well, I agree with your last paragraph, which is why is draw the line before even starting the ridiculous line of argument. But since you started it with Jews, if you don't want to be seen as an anti-Semite, you probably shouldn't endorse such an exclusionist position for the Jews and no one else. Or if, as you say, you Just Don't Care how you are seen, then stop complaining when your overt and blatant anti-Semitism is rightly called out as such. I mean, for someone who doesn't care, you seem pretty darned sensitive on that point.
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- morgante 10y ago
  How does a neo-Nazi end up with more karma than me on Hacker news? You should be banned from here. Seriously. Advocating that Jews be "excluded if not eliminated from society" is hate speech. It greatly disappoints me that the HN moderators apparently think it's okay to leave virulent anti-semitism unchecked. I am Jewish. I have never been to Israel. America is my home. Why do you want to tear that away from me?
  - grzm 10y ago
    Your question was most likely rhetorical, but here goes: hga has had a lot of non-political comments on the site as well, and been on the site over twice as long as you have. That's a lot of time to gather karma. They've been recently called out by the HN mods: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12994342 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12994342
    - morgante 10y ago
      Yea, my question was more rhetorical. For the record, I think it is a problem that someone can consistently drop hateful political rhetoric (I looked through hga's history) essentially without repercussions. It looks like he has some perfectly fine technical contributions, but that shouldn't be an excuse to regularly derail threads with hateful commentary. Any new account which displayed hga's history of political commentary would be summarily banned. I'm skeptical that HN should allow such commentary to continue just because it comes from the same account that has technically good content.
      - grzm 10y ago
        I was purely providing a speculative explanation, not a justification. Nor do I think some calculus balancing good posts versus bad posts is being done by the mods. If you read me as implying either, that wasn't in any way my intent nor my position.
        morgante 10y ago
        Sorry, I didn't think you were arguing that at all. I'm mostly just venting about the level of hate which so many humans are seemingly capable of (and how few resources the rest of us have to combat it).
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- dang 10y ago
  These threads are toxic waste dumps, and you did more than anyone else to make this one so. But you also did something that goes beyond merely pouring toxic waste into threads (which plenty of other people have been doing as well). > You've [Jews] got your own homeland now, which we of the Alt West fully support, relocate yourself there. It makes me sick to read that here. My first instinct is usually to let users off with a warning, especially when they've been here a long time and post good comments in other contexts. But we've already given you countless warnings, way more than we give most users who repeatedly flout our requests to use this site as intended. And then I recall that you just told Jews to "relocate themselves" on HN, and I want to throw up. Therefore I've banned your account.
  - cpach 10y ago
    Thank you, Dan.

hga 10y ago

Alt Right, yes, "neo-Nazi" member of it, AKA of the Alt White, no, and I challenge you to show where I said I was that. Not entirely enthused about Jews != "neo-Nazi", outside of fever swamps like the ADL. As for blaming the Holocaust on the Left, it's right there on the f+++ing label, and bald assertions will never convince us that National Socialism was not a part of the Left like International Socialism is. Or that the Left wasn't responsible for the majority of the 20th Century's genocides. Hmmm, were the Young Turks of the Left? On the other hand, while Imperial Japan was collectivist (which was sort of baked in the pie from ~1600 or so anyway), it wasn't of the Leftist flavor. But, yes, to the extent the inchoate Alt Right has a position on it, one of them is that Jews are to be "excluded if not eliminated from society", as in all societies that are not Israel. You've got your own homeland now, which we of the Alt West fully support, relocate yourself there. Specifically "diversity + proximity = war", and we want to avoid "war" such as it is or will be.

dragonwriter 10y ago
Yeah, if you want to convince people you aren't an anti-Semite and neo-nazi, calling the ADL a "fever swamp" without some substantial supporting argument probably isn't the best place to start. Of course, following that up with calling for the mass exclusion of Jews from all societies other than that of the State of Israel is not helpful, either. And there'd be more consistency to your argument there if you argued that non-Jewish Whites should be, similarly, excluded from all societies other than those of the European continent.
- hga 10y ago
  Their freak-out and blatant lying WRT to Bannon's appointment, which I admittedly didn't cite here, is quite enough for current evidence (but this had in general been noted earlier): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13054973 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13054973 And that's not even going into any detail about how they misportray Breitbart.com. Nor would I ever submit to allowing a single organization made out of fallible human beings as the sole arbitrator of who's neo-Nazi or not in this country. And I though the way this works is that if you make a side point without supplying fully footnoted evidence, you get challenged on it, not presumed guilty before having a chance to answer. You may not view this Alt Right position as "helpful", but We Don't Care. As Jews are starting to find out, unfortunately largely on the Left and WRT to Israel's right to existence (and note how much BDS sounds like a mental illness than a movement's acronym), the Holocaust Card is also Maxed Out, and they most certainly don't care. For that matter, you don't even have to go very many generations beyond mine for the Holocaust to be another footnote in history, just one of the many genocides of the 20th Century, instead of a formative part of ... the Zeitgeist? (Not sure what word to use here, and a German one is ... subpar.) As for your last point, there's no end to that rabbit hole, i.e. what about the Celts who used to occupy much of the European continent? And I'm not up on my history of this sort of thing, but who did they replace? And what about the poor Neanderthals, who only live in the DNA of some of us? That operationally about the worst issue with the Left, they have no limiting principles, there is never a point where "enough" has been reached.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    Well, I agree with your last paragraph, which is why is draw the line before even starting the ridiculous line of argument. But since you started it with Jews, if you don't want to be seen as an anti-Semite, you probably shouldn't endorse such an exclusionist position for the Jews and no one else. Or if, as you say, you Just Don't Care how you are seen, then stop complaining when your overt and blatant anti-Semitism is rightly called out as such. I mean, for someone who doesn't care, you seem pretty darned sensitive on that point.
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morgante 10y ago
How does a neo-Nazi end up with more karma than me on Hacker news? You should be banned from here. Seriously. Advocating that Jews be "excluded if not eliminated from society" is hate speech. It greatly disappoints me that the HN moderators apparently think it's okay to leave virulent anti-semitism unchecked. I am Jewish. I have never been to Israel. America is my home. Why do you want to tear that away from me?
- grzm 10y ago
  Your question was most likely rhetorical, but here goes: hga has had a lot of non-political comments on the site as well, and been on the site over twice as long as you have. That's a lot of time to gather karma. They've been recently called out by the HN mods: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12994342 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12994342
  - morgante 10y ago
    Yea, my question was more rhetorical. For the record, I think it is a problem that someone can consistently drop hateful political rhetoric (I looked through hga's history) essentially without repercussions. It looks like he has some perfectly fine technical contributions, but that shouldn't be an excuse to regularly derail threads with hateful commentary. Any new account which displayed hga's history of political commentary would be summarily banned. I'm skeptical that HN should allow such commentary to continue just because it comes from the same account that has technically good content.
    - grzm 10y ago
      I was purely providing a speculative explanation, not a justification. Nor do I think some calculus balancing good posts versus bad posts is being done by the mods. If you read me as implying either, that wasn't in any way my intent nor my position.
      - morgante 10y ago
        Sorry, I didn't think you were arguing that at all. I'm mostly just venting about the level of hate which so many humans are seemingly capable of (and how few resources the rest of us have to combat it).
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dang 10y ago
These threads are toxic waste dumps, and you did more than anyone else to make this one so. But you also did something that goes beyond merely pouring toxic waste into threads (which plenty of other people have been doing as well). > You've [Jews] got your own homeland now, which we of the Alt West fully support, relocate yourself there. It makes me sick to read that here. My first instinct is usually to let users off with a warning, especially when they've been here a long time and post good comments in other contexts. But we've already given you countless warnings, way more than we give most users who repeatedly flout our requests to use this site as intended. And then I recall that you just told Jews to "relocate themselves" on HN, and I want to throw up. Therefore I've banned your account.
- cpach 10y ago
  Thank you, Dan.