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What does it do? The about link does not gracefully degrade when JavaScript is disabled, which is bad design.

by ergot 10y ago

robin_reala 10y ago
What sort of things can I do with CyberChef? There are well over 100 operations in CyberChef allowing you to carry simple and complex tasks easily. Here are some examples: Decode a Base64-encoded string Convert a date and time to a different time zone Parse a Teredo IPv6 address Convert data from a hexdump, then decompress Display multiple timestamps as full dates Carry out different operations on data of different types
mi100hael 10y ago
Seeing as it's quite literally a JavaScript application, it doesn't do anything with JavaScript disabled.
jnbiche 10y ago
This is a web app, not a web page. It's not supposed to anything with JS disabled. It's an actual program that runs locally, without JS no can do. As much of a problem as I have with web pages using gratuitous JS, it should be obvious that actual web applications such as this and gmail will not be able to "gracefully degrade".
- knodi123 10y ago
  > gmail will not be able to "gracefully degrade". Actually, gmail in particular DOES have a no-js version. Go to "Setting," click on "Help," then enter "Basic HTML view" in the search field, then click on "Standard view and basic HTML view," then "basic HTML view," then, if you wish to preserve the setting, on "set basic HTML as default view."
  - jnbiche 10y ago
    OK, fair enough. But that's a huge effort to duplicate an app like this with a server-side version, and much less user-friendly as well.
    - lucideer 10y ago
      Getting all core functionality to work without JS is a huge effort. Getting an about link to show some text is pretty basic however.
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- wyldfire 10y ago
  If it degrades into an announcement that "hey this is a JS-based SPA for doing <frob> and for more details see <baz>" that would be a good start.
  - pvdebbe 10y ago
    That would be ideal for a web app like this.
throwaway2016a 10y ago
In ergot's defense, he said the "about link" does not gracefully degrade. Which seems reasonable that someone would want to read what an app does before deeming it worthy of enabling scripts. I might actually do this from now on. Have my <noscript> be more than just "You must enable JS to use this" but instead actually display useful information about what it does.
- dimino 10y ago
  Yah I think it's a totally valid complaint. Normally I'm all about telling folks they're not able to use the modern web with JS disabled, but asking for the about page to give a hint with no JS feels like exactly the level of effort everyone should exert for the noscript folks.

What does it do? The about link does not gracefully degrade when JavaScript is disabled, which is bad design.

by ergot 10y ago

What does it do? The about link does not gracefully degrade when JavaScript is disabled, which is bad design.

What sort of things can I do with CyberChef? There are well over 100 operations in CyberChef allowing you to carry simple and complex tasks easily. Here are some examples: Decode a Base64-encoded string Convert a date and time to a different time zone Parse a Teredo IPv6 address Convert data from a hexdump, then decompress Display multiple timestamps as full dates Carry out different operations on data of different types

mi100hael 10y ago

Seeing as it's quite literally a JavaScript application, it doesn't do anything with JavaScript disabled.

jnbiche 10y ago

This is a web app, not a web page. It's not supposed to anything with JS disabled. It's an actual program that runs locally, without JS no can do. As much of a problem as I have with web pages using gratuitous JS, it should be obvious that actual web applications such as this and gmail will not be able to "gracefully degrade".

knodi123 10y ago
> gmail will not be able to "gracefully degrade". Actually, gmail in particular DOES have a no-js version. Go to "Setting," click on "Help," then enter "Basic HTML view" in the search field, then click on "Standard view and basic HTML view," then "basic HTML view," then, if you wish to preserve the setting, on "set basic HTML as default view."
- jnbiche 10y ago
  OK, fair enough. But that's a huge effort to duplicate an app like this with a server-side version, and much less user-friendly as well.
  - lucideer 10y ago
    Getting all core functionality to work without JS is a huge effort. Getting an about link to show some text is pretty basic however.
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wyldfire 10y ago
If it degrades into an announcement that "hey this is a JS-based SPA for doing <frob> and for more details see <baz>" that would be a good start.
- pvdebbe 10y ago
  That would be ideal for a web app like this.

throwaway2016a 10y ago

In ergot's defense, he said the "about link" does not gracefully degrade. Which seems reasonable that someone would want to read what an app does before deeming it worthy of enabling scripts. I might actually do this from now on. Have my <noscript> be more than just "You must enable JS to use this" but instead actually display useful information about what it does.

dimino 10y ago
Yah I think it's a totally valid complaint. Normally I'm all about telling folks they're not able to use the modern web with JS disabled, but asking for the about page to give a hint with no JS feels like exactly the level of effort everyone should exert for the noscript folks.