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I think he mostly argues about the fact that Jobs stated Flash not being and open standard as a reason not to support it. I hope we can all agree that Apple has

by nkassis 17y ago

I think he mostly argues about the fact that Jobs stated Flash not being and open standard as a reason not to support it. I hope we can all agree that Apple has never really been an open standards company and as the author points out, they've mostly stated this for marketing purposes while not fully embracing the idea.

rimantas 17y ago
I hope we can all agree that Apple has never really been an open standards company We cannot. I strongly disagree. At least in the web space there is a lot of innovation comming from or strongly supported by Apple.
- nkassis 17y ago
  Not claiming they have never done anything for the community but they have far more closed projects than open ones.
  - rimantas 17y ago
    It's complicate. I believe each and every of their closed project depends a lot on a number of open ones—just take a look at Settings->About->Legal on iPhone or take a look at http://www.apple.com/opensource/ http://www.apple.com/opensource/. On the other hand they do not contribute to all of OSS they use. But http://www.opensource.apple.com/ http://www.opensource.apple.com/ is still impressive.
- jarek 17y ago
  ... like Theora, and unlike H.264.
- binspace 17y ago
  They are open just like Microsoft :-)
Terretta 17y ago
> I hope we can all agree that Apple has never really been an open standards company Show me this for Flash: http://trac.webkit.org/ http://trac.webkit.org/ Or this: http://www.opensource.apple.com/release/mac-os-x-1063/ http://www.opensource.apple.com/release/mac-os-x-1063/ And check out paragraph 2: http://webkit.org/projects/goals.html http://webkit.org/projects/goals.html Fire up Chrome to check out how many re-implementations of WebKit are out there based on this open source and open standards base.
- ryoshu 17y ago
  > Show me this for Flash http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/ http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/ > Or this: http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/site/Home http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/site/Home > And check out paragraph 2: http://www.openscreenproject.org/partners/current_partners.html http://www.openscreenproject.org/partners/current_partners.h...
  - Terretta 17y ago
    1. You didn't show the same thing for Flash. SWF spec in a PDF is not the same as the open source code hub for the web rendering engine used by Google, RIM, etc. 2. You didn't show the same thing for open source. OS X is arguably the family jewels. The equivalent for Adobe would be CS 5, not Tamarin or a Flex SDK. 3. You didn't show the same thing for the open source goals. That press release blurb and list of "partners" like Atlantic Records, Paramount and Lionsgate does not correlate to the paragraph promising to give WebKit back with BSD and LGPL style licensing, and listing corporate "industry leaders" sponsors is not the same as running a public chatroom and IRC channel for webkit.

by nkassis 17y ago

rimantas 17y ago

I hope we can all agree that Apple has never really been an open standards company We cannot. I strongly disagree. At least in the web space there is a lot of innovation comming from or strongly supported by Apple.

nkassis 17y ago
Not claiming they have never done anything for the community but they have far more closed projects than open ones.
- rimantas 17y ago
  It's complicate. I believe each and every of their closed project depends a lot on a number of open ones—just take a look at Settings->About->Legal on iPhone or take a look at http://www.apple.com/opensource/ http://www.apple.com/opensource/. On the other hand they do not contribute to all of OSS they use. But http://www.opensource.apple.com/ http://www.opensource.apple.com/ is still impressive.
jarek 17y ago
... like Theora, and unlike H.264.
binspace 17y ago
They are open just like Microsoft :-)

Terretta 17y ago

> I hope we can all agree that Apple has never really been an open standards company Show me this for Flash: http://trac.webkit.org/ http://trac.webkit.org/ Or this: http://www.opensource.apple.com/release/mac-os-x-1063/ http://www.opensource.apple.com/release/mac-os-x-1063/ And check out paragraph 2: http://webkit.org/projects/goals.html http://webkit.org/projects/goals.html Fire up Chrome to check out how many re-implementations of WebKit are out there based on this open source and open standards base.

ryoshu 17y ago
> Show me this for Flash http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/ http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/ > Or this: http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/site/Home http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/site/Home > And check out paragraph 2: http://www.openscreenproject.org/partners/current_partners.html http://www.openscreenproject.org/partners/current_partners.h...
- Terretta 17y ago
  1. You didn't show the same thing for Flash. SWF spec in a PDF is not the same as the open source code hub for the web rendering engine used by Google, RIM, etc. 2. You didn't show the same thing for open source. OS X is arguably the family jewels. The equivalent for Adobe would be CS 5, not Tamarin or a Flex SDK. 3. You didn't show the same thing for the open source goals. That press release blurb and list of "partners" like Atlantic Records, Paramount and Lionsgate does not correlate to the paragraph promising to give WebKit back with BSD and LGPL style licensing, and listing corporate "industry leaders" sponsors is not the same as running a public chatroom and IRC channel for webkit.