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olalonde 16y ago
WebSocket, Canvas, Web Workers, HTML5 drag and drop API, WebGL, O3D, Application Cache API, Chrome/FF (and possibly other browsers) allow web apps to open mailto: links, FireBug, Web Developer Toolbar, etc. etc.
- JoeAltmaier 16y ago
  Unless you actually refute EVERY SINGLE OBJECTION, apps still win, at least in the user-experience sense. Something as small as not getting an hourglass when the app is "thinking" is a bug, which every web app has right now.
  - olalonde 16y ago
    Well, that's pretty subjective. I prefer GMail's user-experience than any competitive desktop app, same for Google Calendar, Google Reader, Basecamp and FreshBooks. I guess I'm biased as I am a firm believer that the open web is the platform of the future. That being said, I totally agree that there is still a lot of room for improvement, but we're on the right track :)
  - weavejester 16y ago
    It's pretty trivial to turn the cursor into an hourglass with CSS. That isn't a limitation of web applications.
    - JoeAltmaier 16y ago
      Then why do nearly none of them do it? Probably because they can't judge when they will stutter and lag - so many layers of web indirection. The fact is, most web apps only a mother could love. The rest of us are sitting stunned and silent when someone shows off their latest "jewel" which stutters, lags, has buttons that don't react when pressed, takes 3-5 seconds to put up/take down a dialog based on a server database query...
- a4agarwal 16y ago
  I don't know what most of those things are, and I'm guessing most of the world doesn't either.
  - stan_rogers 16y ago
    Most people don't know what HTML is, yet they can use web browsers. Not knowing HTML 5 will not prevent them from using HTML 5 -- and HTML 5 is covered by the first half of that list. The mailto extensions don't have to be -- they could as easily be built into the browser (and should be by now). Web applications can already be online/offline hybrids (Google Gears already provides the functionality, HTML 5 adds it as well).

go for it

WebSocket, Canvas, Web Workers, HTML5 drag and drop API, WebGL, O3D, Application Cache API, Chrome/FF (and possibly other browsers) allow web apps to open mailto: links, FireBug, Web Developer Toolbar, etc. etc.

JoeAltmaier 16y ago
Unless you actually refute EVERY SINGLE OBJECTION, apps still win, at least in the user-experience sense. Something as small as not getting an hourglass when the app is "thinking" is a bug, which every web app has right now.
- olalonde 16y ago
  Well, that's pretty subjective. I prefer GMail's user-experience than any competitive desktop app, same for Google Calendar, Google Reader, Basecamp and FreshBooks. I guess I'm biased as I am a firm believer that the open web is the platform of the future. That being said, I totally agree that there is still a lot of room for improvement, but we're on the right track :)
- weavejester 16y ago
  It's pretty trivial to turn the cursor into an hourglass with CSS. That isn't a limitation of web applications.
  - JoeAltmaier 16y ago
    Then why do nearly none of them do it? Probably because they can't judge when they will stutter and lag - so many layers of web indirection. The fact is, most web apps only a mother could love. The rest of us are sitting stunned and silent when someone shows off their latest "jewel" which stutters, lags, has buttons that don't react when pressed, takes 3-5 seconds to put up/take down a dialog based on a server database query...
a4agarwal 16y ago
I don't know what most of those things are, and I'm guessing most of the world doesn't either.
- stan_rogers 16y ago
  Most people don't know what HTML is, yet they can use web browsers. Not knowing HTML 5 will not prevent them from using HTML 5 -- and HTML 5 is covered by the first half of that list. The mailto extensions don't have to be -- they could as easily be built into the browser (and should be by now). Web applications can already be online/offline hybrids (Google Gears already provides the functionality, HTML 5 adds it as well).