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People had voted for Trump not because of lack of empathy, but because they were fed up with being patronized, negged, treated like children, observed, modeled

People had voted for Trump not because of lack of empathy, but because they were fed up with being patronized, negged, treated like children, observed, modeled and disempowered, belittled and generally discounted. And this article is not helping it.

vixen99 10y ago
Indeed, and this: http://www.unz.com/freed/uniquely-talented/ http://www.unz.com/freed/uniquely-talented/
- allemagne 10y ago
  >"Everybody worked for Trump. He couldn’t lose." Hillary comfortably won the popular vote, and something like 100,000 voters in strategic states were what swung the election to Trump. "He couldn't lose" is a lot different from "he could win", and is a ridiculously strong claim that nobody who believes in evidence and logic-based reasoning would have made previous to Nov. 9th.
  - talmand 10y ago
    And voters in two or three counties gave Clinton the popular vote.
    - allemagne 10y ago
      Would that mean there was no way Trump could have lost? No. It is unclear how using counties as a metric is useful. It would be quite significant if Clinton won the equivalent of the population of LA county over Trump.
      - talmand 10y ago
        >> It is unclear how using counties as a metric is useful. It's about as useful as referring to the popular vote in a contest that clearly established beforehand that it would not be considered.
        allemagne 10y ago
        The popular vote is a relevant example of how the contest was not inevitable. More people voted for Hillary than for Trump... that's not what wins the election, but it's not meaningless to a democratic society. Counties, however, are completely arbitrary. Should winning the least populous 51% of counties matter to anyone? You're using it as a convenient way to sidestep the obvious implication of losing the popular vote.
  - hash-set 10y ago
    I'd be very careful about that "won the popular vote" meme. First off, it isn't relevant. Second off, if people who were ineligible to vote, aka illegal immigrants and felons (and maybe dead people, too) then what we know about the popular vote is a fallacy, too. The media does nothing but propagandize 24/7.
    - heartbreak 10y ago
      Your second point is incomplete. Can you elaborate?
      - speeder 10y ago
        He is probably referring to stuff like this: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Dead-Voter-List-Long-Island-Nassau-County-Newsday-230030371.html http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Dead-Voter-List-Long-Is... There are lots of other sources with more details, but all of them are considered now "trump shills", so I won't post them, last time I accidentally mentioned one of them (I didn't even knew the place was right-wing, it was the first time I read the site, and happened to be useful for an argument) I got lots of flak and stress.
  - hga 10y ago
    Hillary comfortably won the popular vote Which is Not Even Wrong, for it implies the unknowable counterfactual that if Trump had been running a campaign for the popular vote, he wouldn't have won that. E.g. lots of people don't bother to vote when they're in "enemy territory" and they know their vote won't count for anything. You can't take a situation based on X strategy, and then change the rules to Y strategy after the game has been played by X, and make anything more of it than a silly rhetorical point.
    - allemagne 10y ago
      Are you arguing that there's no way Trump could have lost and there was incontrovertible evidence of that prior to election day or that Clinton did not win the popular vote by a wide margin? That's the extent of what I've contended here. I don't care to discuss abstract hypotheticals, or whether this means Trump is wonderful or not. Unless you're disputing in a roundabout way what I've presented there's no reason to be engaging in whatever you're doing.
cmalmberg23 10y ago
aka, the effects of a lack of empathy
nkohari 10y ago
The effects you list are a result of others not having empathy for people who would end up supporting Trump.
- hash-set 10y ago
  I don't think it's a good idea to categorize Trump supporters as uneducated hicks. Liberals love to do that to gun owners, but it is farthest from the truth--both groups are a massive cross section of society that cuts across every socioeconomic status and every education level. To think otherwise is a huge mistake and a huge generalization.
- atemerev 10y ago
  They do not need empathy. They wanted to be left alone and act according to their own judgement, something that the left really could not process.
pmoriarty 10y ago
And why were they patronized and treated like children again? Oh, perhaps it was because they claimed Obama wasn't born in the US. Or because they denied global warming. Or because they hate Mexicans and Muslims. In short, because they bought in to the steaming pile of bullshit that is the right wing media echo chamber. When they think like children, talk like children, and act like children, they shouldn't be surprised that they're treated like children.
- rhodri 10y ago
  > When they think like children, talk like children, and act like children, they shouldn't be surprised that they're treated like children. and does punishing children cause them to behave better?
  - douche 10y ago
    Sometimes you need a carrot, and sometimes you need a stick. I tend to think the stick worked better at shaping my behavior as a child, but you can't do that anymore.
  - beachstartup 10y ago
    it never did for me. in fact i can remember many times in which i deliberately did whatever angered my parents again and again, just to piss them off more, to the point of them crying and having a near-mental breakdown (immigrant parents). they literally could not process the reality of their child not following their authority 100%, because they grew up in a society in which that was the unquestioned norm. eventually i conditioned them into not punishing me ever again, because they knew that punishment would beget more of the same unwanted behavior. part of the reason i don't want kids. i wouldn't know how to handle the rebellion.
- theWatcher37 10y ago
  Dude was a media darling for 30 years, was never called a racist until he ran against a Clinton.
  - 10y ago
dragonwriter 10y ago
People voted for Trump because he was the Republican nominee, and a smaller share of the electorate did so than voted for the last Republican nominee.
TYPE_FASTER 10y ago
The people I know who voted for him want to pay less taxes and have less government.
- atemerev 10y ago
  Except the government, who isn't?

vixen99 10y ago

Indeed, and this: http://www.unz.com/freed/uniquely-talented/ http://www.unz.com/freed/uniquely-talented/

allemagne 10y ago
>"Everybody worked for Trump. He couldn’t lose." Hillary comfortably won the popular vote, and something like 100,000 voters in strategic states were what swung the election to Trump. "He couldn't lose" is a lot different from "he could win", and is a ridiculously strong claim that nobody who believes in evidence and logic-based reasoning would have made previous to Nov. 9th.
- talmand 10y ago
  And voters in two or three counties gave Clinton the popular vote.
  - allemagne 10y ago
    Would that mean there was no way Trump could have lost? No. It is unclear how using counties as a metric is useful. It would be quite significant if Clinton won the equivalent of the population of LA county over Trump.
    - talmand 10y ago
      >> It is unclear how using counties as a metric is useful. It's about as useful as referring to the popular vote in a contest that clearly established beforehand that it would not be considered.
      - allemagne 10y ago
        The popular vote is a relevant example of how the contest was not inevitable. More people voted for Hillary than for Trump... that's not what wins the election, but it's not meaningless to a democratic society. Counties, however, are completely arbitrary. Should winning the least populous 51% of counties matter to anyone? You're using it as a convenient way to sidestep the obvious implication of losing the popular vote.
- hash-set 10y ago
  I'd be very careful about that "won the popular vote" meme. First off, it isn't relevant. Second off, if people who were ineligible to vote, aka illegal immigrants and felons (and maybe dead people, too) then what we know about the popular vote is a fallacy, too. The media does nothing but propagandize 24/7.
  - heartbreak 10y ago
    Your second point is incomplete. Can you elaborate?
    - speeder 10y ago
      He is probably referring to stuff like this: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Dead-Voter-List-Long-Island-Nassau-County-Newsday-230030371.html http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Dead-Voter-List-Long-Is... There are lots of other sources with more details, but all of them are considered now "trump shills", so I won't post them, last time I accidentally mentioned one of them (I didn't even knew the place was right-wing, it was the first time I read the site, and happened to be useful for an argument) I got lots of flak and stress.
- hga 10y ago
  Hillary comfortably won the popular vote Which is Not Even Wrong, for it implies the unknowable counterfactual that if Trump had been running a campaign for the popular vote, he wouldn't have won that. E.g. lots of people don't bother to vote when they're in "enemy territory" and they know their vote won't count for anything. You can't take a situation based on X strategy, and then change the rules to Y strategy after the game has been played by X, and make anything more of it than a silly rhetorical point.
  - allemagne 10y ago
    Are you arguing that there's no way Trump could have lost and there was incontrovertible evidence of that prior to election day or that Clinton did not win the popular vote by a wide margin? That's the extent of what I've contended here. I don't care to discuss abstract hypotheticals, or whether this means Trump is wonderful or not. Unless you're disputing in a roundabout way what I've presented there's no reason to be engaging in whatever you're doing.

cmalmberg23 10y ago

aka, the effects of a lack of empathy

nkohari 10y ago

The effects you list are a result of others not having empathy for people who would end up supporting Trump.

hash-set 10y ago
I don't think it's a good idea to categorize Trump supporters as uneducated hicks. Liberals love to do that to gun owners, but it is farthest from the truth--both groups are a massive cross section of society that cuts across every socioeconomic status and every education level. To think otherwise is a huge mistake and a huge generalization.
atemerev 10y ago
They do not need empathy. They wanted to be left alone and act according to their own judgement, something that the left really could not process.

pmoriarty 10y ago

And why were they patronized and treated like children again? Oh, perhaps it was because they claimed Obama wasn't born in the US. Or because they denied global warming. Or because they hate Mexicans and Muslims. In short, because they bought in to the steaming pile of bullshit that is the right wing media echo chamber. When they think like children, talk like children, and act like children, they shouldn't be surprised that they're treated like children.

rhodri 10y ago
> When they think like children, talk like children, and act like children, they shouldn't be surprised that they're treated like children. and does punishing children cause them to behave better?
- douche 10y ago
  Sometimes you need a carrot, and sometimes you need a stick. I tend to think the stick worked better at shaping my behavior as a child, but you can't do that anymore.
- beachstartup 10y ago
  it never did for me. in fact i can remember many times in which i deliberately did whatever angered my parents again and again, just to piss them off more, to the point of them crying and having a near-mental breakdown (immigrant parents). they literally could not process the reality of their child not following their authority 100%, because they grew up in a society in which that was the unquestioned norm. eventually i conditioned them into not punishing me ever again, because they knew that punishment would beget more of the same unwanted behavior. part of the reason i don't want kids. i wouldn't know how to handle the rebellion.
theWatcher37 10y ago
Dude was a media darling for 30 years, was never called a racist until he ran against a Clinton.
- 10y ago

dragonwriter 10y ago

People voted for Trump because he was the Republican nominee, and a smaller share of the electorate did so than voted for the last Republican nominee.

TYPE_FASTER 10y ago

The people I know who voted for him want to pay less taxes and have less government.

atemerev 10y ago
Except the government, who isn't?