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Look, he used a bullshit argument. One guy says, (paraphrasing) [open source has many advantages]. The next guy replies by quoting the opensource.org website

Look, he used a bullshit argument. One guy says, (paraphrasing) [open source has many advantages]. The next guy replies by quoting the opensource.org website as though that's the only definition available. A citation for a strawman doesn't make it valid. I have no idea who first put the words "open source" together, and neither do you. I think it's much more likely someone grabbed the term and added their own agenda to it after it was already popular. Regardless, assuming the original intention was as you claim, that doesn't mean everyone who uses that term now shares that view.

comex 10y ago
> I have no idea who first put the words "open source" together, and neither do you. I think it's much more likely someone grabbed the term and added their own agenda to it after it was already popular. Perhaps you should read the site in question rather than guessing. https://opensource.org/history https://opensource.org/history > The “open source” label was created at a strategy session held on February 3rd, 1998 in Palo Alto, California, shortly after the announcement of the release of the Netscape source code. [..] The conferees also believed that it would be useful to have a single label that identified this approach and distinguished it from the philosophically- and politically-focused label "free software." Brainstorming for this new label eventually converged on the term "open source", originally suggested by Christine Peterson.
- sedachv 10y ago
  In reply to user misrepresent, who seems to have signed up to HN just to attack RMS: Wrong. "Revision 1.29 February 9 1998 esr Changed ``free software'' to ``open source''. " http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/index.html#catbmain http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral...
  - misrepresent 10y ago
    I haven't attacked anyone, and I haven't even mentioned RMS until now. That's a very weird accusation.
    - cyphar 10y ago
      While claiming that referencing first-hand sources from both sides of the aisle as a "bullshit argument" isn't attacking anyone, you're not contributing to a healthy discussion.
- misrepresent 10y ago
  And yet, if I look at: https://archive.org/stream/CathedralAndTheBazaar/cathedral-bazaar_djvu.txt I see that Eric Raymond used the term on November 18th 1997. Wanna place a bet that I can't find an earlier use than that? Perhaps you shouldn't trust everything you read as definitive...
  - misrepresent 10y ago
    Well, it looks like I was wrong about the origin of the term. I misread Eric Raymond's changelog, and after a half hour of searching I can't find an earlier use. (I wish there was a usable search for old usenet postings...) Anything else I said still stands though - including that it's foolish to try and paint everyone with the same brush.

comex 10y ago

> I have no idea who first put the words "open source" together, and neither do you. I think it's much more likely someone grabbed the term and added their own agenda to it after it was already popular. Perhaps you should read the site in question rather than guessing. https://opensource.org/history https://opensource.org/history > The “open source” label was created at a strategy session held on February 3rd, 1998 in Palo Alto, California, shortly after the announcement of the release of the Netscape source code. [..] The conferees also believed that it would be useful to have a single label that identified this approach and distinguished it from the philosophically- and politically-focused label "free software." Brainstorming for this new label eventually converged on the term "open source", originally suggested by Christine Peterson.

sedachv 10y ago
In reply to user misrepresent, who seems to have signed up to HN just to attack RMS: Wrong. "Revision 1.29 February 9 1998 esr Changed ``free software'' to ``open source''. " http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/index.html#catbmain http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral...
- misrepresent 10y ago
  I haven't attacked anyone, and I haven't even mentioned RMS until now. That's a very weird accusation.
  - cyphar 10y ago
    While claiming that referencing first-hand sources from both sides of the aisle as a "bullshit argument" isn't attacking anyone, you're not contributing to a healthy discussion.
misrepresent 10y ago
And yet, if I look at: https://archive.org/stream/CathedralAndTheBazaar/cathedral-bazaar_djvu.txt I see that Eric Raymond used the term on November 18th 1997. Wanna place a bet that I can't find an earlier use than that? Perhaps you shouldn't trust everything you read as definitive...
- misrepresent 10y ago
  Well, it looks like I was wrong about the origin of the term. I misread Eric Raymond's changelog, and after a half hour of searching I can't find an earlier use. (I wish there was a usable search for old usenet postings...) Anything else I said still stands though - including that it's foolish to try and paint everyone with the same brush.