4 ms·

> That's being a bit generous in favor of Adobe - the majority of the Flash development sphere is practically what one would consider "miscreant use". The vast

by tomlin 16y ago

> That's being a bit generous in favor of Adobe - the majority of the Flash development sphere is practically what one would consider "miscreant use". The vast majority of websites in general are poor. It would be no surprise to see that the majority of Flash sites would also be poor. Both sides have exceptions, though. > Videos/Audio: Easily replaced by HTML5, and better too. More readily hardware accelerated, behaves as part of the core browser instead of a hijacking addon (e.g., Ctrl+T while focused on a Flash applet = no new tab), and much better battery life on mobiles. I don't disagree. I am grateful that HTML5 can handle this, but it took a "standards" committee several years to roll this into a questionably viable model. The immediate fanfare for the slow implementation raises my eyebrow a bit. We're all happy about having something we've needed for years. The company that created the fold so we could have sites like YouTube today? The devil. > - Crappy restaurant websites and other crimes against humanity: These should just die, and HTML5 will hopefully inspire better design ethic than this. It won't. Cheese is forever. If HTML5 can accomplish cheese, people will create cheese. We're all hopeful, but the human condition comes into play.

potatolicious 16y ago
It's not the cheese I object to - but that the Cheese breaks the internet in fundamental ways. Example: We just wrapped up Restaurant Week here in Seattle where a bunch of local establishments offered up prix-fixe specials for a couple of weeks. The website for this event was done up all in Flash, and made it impossible to crawl for a search engine, or even to link or bookmark a particular restaurant for later retrieval. What did we exchange for this cheese and gimmicky design? Everything. There's no regulating for good taste - you're right, most websites in general are poor. They, however, are still accessible - neon green text on black background with an annoying MIDI track in the background is still information that: - you can link to - you can bookmark - you can copy and paste - you can search for in-browser (doubly important if the website fails at layout, e.g. most Flash sites!) - you can search for on Google/Bing Those are pretty important.
- tomlin 16y ago
  > What did we exchange for this cheese and gimmicky design? Everything. I agree that if you don't follow the proper protocol you will end up with an undesirable site. I can't argue that Flash == HTML in terms of accessibility. There are ways within Flash to harness some accessibility but it is up to the developer to implement these. An informational site in Flash is a bad choice. I would never suggest the use of Flash for broad use. A fun site (like http://www.myspace.com/fanvideo http://www.myspace.com/fanvideo) is more appropriate. > - you can link to > - you can bookmark Named-anchors and proper implementation (same as AJAX RIA) > - you can copy and paste "Selectable text" is an option in any Flash text field. > - you can search for in-browser (doubly important if the website fails at layout, e.g. most Flash sites!) > - you can search for on Google/Bing Flash exports text within to the container. Google also can search SWF. > Those are pretty important. Agree.
  - Zev 16y ago
    "Selectable text" is an option in any Flash text field. Is copying/pasting it to the OS (or app) pasteboard an option? If so, will it use the same UI as native apps have? Or will it force a funky widget of its own in the middle of an app that otherwise looks like the rest of the OS?
    - tomlin 16y ago
      The options are the same as the OS using the same UI. Identical to right-click menu in browser inputs/address bar. It is using the OS clipboard. CTRL/OPTION+C/V works the same as well.
      - Zev 16y ago
        Are you saying that Adobe reimplemented the UI? Or that they pass it off to the OS to handle? Because if its the former, the iPhone doesn't have a menu dropdown for cut/copy/paste. Or a ctrl/command button, for that matter. I'm only asking because I've never had copy/paste from flash work well on the desktop.
- 16y ago
deleted 16y ago
[deleted]

by tomlin 16y ago

potatolicious 16y ago

It's not the cheese I object to - but that the Cheese breaks the internet in fundamental ways. Example: We just wrapped up Restaurant Week here in Seattle where a bunch of local establishments offered up prix-fixe specials for a couple of weeks. The website for this event was done up all in Flash, and made it impossible to crawl for a search engine, or even to link or bookmark a particular restaurant for later retrieval. What did we exchange for this cheese and gimmicky design? Everything. There's no regulating for good taste - you're right, most websites in general are poor. They, however, are still accessible - neon green text on black background with an annoying MIDI track in the background is still information that: - you can link to - you can bookmark - you can copy and paste - you can search for in-browser (doubly important if the website fails at layout, e.g. most Flash sites!) - you can search for on Google/Bing Those are pretty important.

tomlin 16y ago
> What did we exchange for this cheese and gimmicky design? Everything. I agree that if you don't follow the proper protocol you will end up with an undesirable site. I can't argue that Flash == HTML in terms of accessibility. There are ways within Flash to harness some accessibility but it is up to the developer to implement these. An informational site in Flash is a bad choice. I would never suggest the use of Flash for broad use. A fun site (like http://www.myspace.com/fanvideo http://www.myspace.com/fanvideo) is more appropriate. > - you can link to > - you can bookmark Named-anchors and proper implementation (same as AJAX RIA) > - you can copy and paste "Selectable text" is an option in any Flash text field. > - you can search for in-browser (doubly important if the website fails at layout, e.g. most Flash sites!) > - you can search for on Google/Bing Flash exports text within to the container. Google also can search SWF. > Those are pretty important. Agree.
- Zev 16y ago
  "Selectable text" is an option in any Flash text field. Is copying/pasting it to the OS (or app) pasteboard an option? If so, will it use the same UI as native apps have? Or will it force a funky widget of its own in the middle of an app that otherwise looks like the rest of the OS?
  - tomlin 16y ago
    The options are the same as the OS using the same UI. Identical to right-click menu in browser inputs/address bar. It is using the OS clipboard. CTRL/OPTION+C/V works the same as well.
    - Zev 16y ago
      Are you saying that Adobe reimplemented the UI? Or that they pass it off to the OS to handle? Because if its the former, the iPhone doesn't have a menu dropdown for cut/copy/paste. Or a ctrl/command button, for that matter. I'm only asking because I've never had copy/paste from flash work well on the desktop.
16y ago

deleted 16y ago

[deleted]