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Historically, probably because $ ls -lh `which emacs` -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 220M Oct 19 02:10 /usr/bin/emacs $ ls -lh `which vim` -rwxr-x

Historically, probably because $ ls -lh `which emacs` -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 220M Oct 19 02:10 /usr/bin/emacs $ ls -lh `which vim` -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1.7M Oct 19 02:38 /usr/bin/vim Disk space isn't as much of an issue anymore, but still, it's 100x the size.

paul 10y ago
That's how I ended up learning vi. In 1993, my 386 didn't have enough disk space for emacs, so I had to learn vi (which is lucky because I probably wouldn't have done it otherwise).
hueving 10y ago
It's still very much this. The footprints of many entire server distros are less than 220MB.
bch 10y ago
To say nothing of: kamloops$ ldd $(which vi) /usr/bin/vi: -lcurses.7 => /usr/lib/libcurses.so.7 -lterminfo.1 => /usr/lib/libterminfo.so.1 -lc.12 => /usr/lib/libc.so.12 -lutil.7 => /usr/lib/libutil.so.7 kamloops$ ls -ld $(which vi) -r-xr-xr-x 3 root wheel 506072 Nov 26 15:57 /usr/bin/vi kamloops$ ldd /usr/pkg/bin/emacs-24.5 /usr/pkg/bin/emacs-24.5: -lossaudio.1 => /usr/lib/libossaudio.so.1 -lc.12 => /usr/lib/libc.so.12 -lexecinfo.0 => /usr/lib/libexecinfo.so.0 -lelf.2 => /usr/lib/libelf.so.2 -lterminfo.1 => /usr/lib/libterminfo.so.1 -lpthread.1 => /usr/lib/libpthread.so.1 -lm.0 => /usr/lib/libm.so.0 -lz.1 => /usr/lib/libz.so.1 kamloops$ ls -ld /usr/pkg/bin/emacs-24.5 -rwxr-xr-t 1 root wheel 14682824 Jul 27 16:51 /usr/pkg/bin/emacs-24.5 # # count of files installed per package... # kamloops$ wc -l /usr/pkgsrc/editors/nvi/PLIST 24 /usr/pkgsrc/editors/nvi/PLIST kamloops$ wc -l /usr/pkgsrc/editors/emacs24/PLIST 3914 /usr/pkgsrc/editors/emacs24/PLIST
- shermanyo 10y ago
  I think this is the more relevant requirement, the above build even links to an audio library...
- deleted 10y ago
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- mhd 10y ago
  nvi vs. X11 emacs? Isn't that a bit like comparing uemacs to gvim?
  - bch 10y ago
    This isn't comparing X11 emacs to vi, it's emacs (built w/ a no-x11 switch) on NetBSD compared w/ native nvi. If this were an X11 enabled binary, you'd see links to various X11 libs and GUI toolkits, similar to this xterm: /usr/X11R7/bin/xterm: -lXft.3 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libXft.so.3 -lX11.7 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libX11.so.7 -lxcb.2 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libxcb.so.2 -lXau.7 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libXau.so.7 -lc.12 => /usr/lib/libc.so.12 -lXdmcp.7 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libXdmcp.so.7 -lfontconfig.2 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libfontconfig.so.2 -lexpat.2 => /usr/lib/libexpat.so.2 -lfreetype.18 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libfreetype.so.18 -lz.1 => /usr/lib/libz.so.1 -lbz2.1 => /usr/lib/libbz2.so.1 -lXrandr.3 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libXrandr.so.3 -lXrender.2 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libXrender.so.2 -lXext.7 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libXext.so.7 -lXaw7.10 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libXaw7.so.10 -lXmu.7 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libXmu.so.7 -lXt.7 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libXt.so.7 -lSM.7 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libSM.so.7 -lICE.7 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libICE.so.7 -lXpm.5 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libXpm.so.5 -lXinerama.2 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libXinerama.so.2 -lcurses.7 => /usr/lib/libcurses.so.7 -lterminfo.1 => /usr/lib/libterminfo.so.1 -lutil.7 => /usr/lib/libutil.so.7
- TorKlingberg 10y ago
  Of course, we can do even better these days $ ldd /opt/sublime_text/sublime_text | wc -l 15 $ ldd /home/tmk/.local/share/umake/ide/visual-studio-code/code | wc -l 84 And I'm not sure ldd even captures all the libraries these things load.
wonnage 10y ago
"eight megs and constantly swapping" seems so quaint :P
- deleted 10y ago
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- 50CNT 10y ago
  with emacs 25 incorporating webkit, we can now say "emacs may also contain safari"
  - rahoulb 10y ago
    Given that the browser is fast approaching a full OS layer, does that mean you're effectively running an OS within an OS within an OS (or more so if you're running on virtualisation)?
    - 50CNT 10y ago
      I don't know, but open up emacs, type M-x term, then emacs -nw, then type M-x term, then repeat. It's very silly.
greglindahl 10y ago
In ancient times, emacs didn't have an X-Windows driver. On my current box, emacs-nox is 13 megabytes.
codemac 10y ago
Are these statically linked? ; ls -hl `{which emacs-25.1} -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 17M Sep 18 04:32 /bin/emacs-25.1 ; ls -hl `{which vim} -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2.6M Nov 15 16:06 /bin/vim ; 17M is much more reasonable, but emacs has many supporting files as well. It's been installed on every system I've ever used that wasn't busybox-based, you can package it much smaller.
dotancohen 10y ago
And to think that "Eight Megs And Counting" was once an exaggeration!
weaksauce 10y ago
Also, typically the tiny version of vim is installed by default.

paul 10y ago

That's how I ended up learning vi. In 1993, my 386 didn't have enough disk space for emacs, so I had to learn vi (which is lucky because I probably wouldn't have done it otherwise).

hueving 10y ago

It's still very much this. The footprints of many entire server distros are less than 220MB.

bch 10y ago

To say nothing of: kamloops$ ldd $(which vi) /usr/bin/vi: -lcurses.7 => /usr/lib/libcurses.so.7 -lterminfo.1 => /usr/lib/libterminfo.so.1 -lc.12 => /usr/lib/libc.so.12 -lutil.7 => /usr/lib/libutil.so.7 kamloops$ ls -ld $(which vi) -r-xr-xr-x 3 root wheel 506072 Nov 26 15:57 /usr/bin/vi kamloops$ ldd /usr/pkg/bin/emacs-24.5 /usr/pkg/bin/emacs-24.5: -lossaudio.1 => /usr/lib/libossaudio.so.1 -lc.12 => /usr/lib/libc.so.12 -lexecinfo.0 => /usr/lib/libexecinfo.so.0 -lelf.2 => /usr/lib/libelf.so.2 -lterminfo.1 => /usr/lib/libterminfo.so.1 -lpthread.1 => /usr/lib/libpthread.so.1 -lm.0 => /usr/lib/libm.so.0 -lz.1 => /usr/lib/libz.so.1 kamloops$ ls -ld /usr/pkg/bin/emacs-24.5 -rwxr-xr-t 1 root wheel 14682824 Jul 27 16:51 /usr/pkg/bin/emacs-24.5 # # count of files installed per package... # kamloops$ wc -l /usr/pkgsrc/editors/nvi/PLIST 24 /usr/pkgsrc/editors/nvi/PLIST kamloops$ wc -l /usr/pkgsrc/editors/emacs24/PLIST 3914 /usr/pkgsrc/editors/emacs24/PLIST

shermanyo 10y ago
I think this is the more relevant requirement, the above build even links to an audio library...
deleted 10y ago
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mhd 10y ago
nvi vs. X11 emacs? Isn't that a bit like comparing uemacs to gvim?
- bch 10y ago
  This isn't comparing X11 emacs to vi, it's emacs (built w/ a no-x11 switch) on NetBSD compared w/ native nvi. If this were an X11 enabled binary, you'd see links to various X11 libs and GUI toolkits, similar to this xterm: /usr/X11R7/bin/xterm: -lXft.3 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libXft.so.3 -lX11.7 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libX11.so.7 -lxcb.2 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libxcb.so.2 -lXau.7 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libXau.so.7 -lc.12 => /usr/lib/libc.so.12 -lXdmcp.7 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libXdmcp.so.7 -lfontconfig.2 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libfontconfig.so.2 -lexpat.2 => /usr/lib/libexpat.so.2 -lfreetype.18 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libfreetype.so.18 -lz.1 => /usr/lib/libz.so.1 -lbz2.1 => /usr/lib/libbz2.so.1 -lXrandr.3 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libXrandr.so.3 -lXrender.2 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libXrender.so.2 -lXext.7 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libXext.so.7 -lXaw7.10 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libXaw7.so.10 -lXmu.7 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libXmu.so.7 -lXt.7 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libXt.so.7 -lSM.7 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libSM.so.7 -lICE.7 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libICE.so.7 -lXpm.5 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libXpm.so.5 -lXinerama.2 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libXinerama.so.2 -lcurses.7 => /usr/lib/libcurses.so.7 -lterminfo.1 => /usr/lib/libterminfo.so.1 -lutil.7 => /usr/lib/libutil.so.7
TorKlingberg 10y ago
Of course, we can do even better these days $ ldd /opt/sublime_text/sublime_text | wc -l 15 $ ldd /home/tmk/.local/share/umake/ide/visual-studio-code/code | wc -l 84 And I'm not sure ldd even captures all the libraries these things load.

wonnage 10y ago

"eight megs and constantly swapping" seems so quaint :P

deleted 10y ago
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50CNT 10y ago
with emacs 25 incorporating webkit, we can now say "emacs may also contain safari"
- rahoulb 10y ago
  Given that the browser is fast approaching a full OS layer, does that mean you're effectively running an OS within an OS within an OS (or more so if you're running on virtualisation)?
  - 50CNT 10y ago
    I don't know, but open up emacs, type M-x term, then emacs -nw, then type M-x term, then repeat. It's very silly.

greglindahl 10y ago

In ancient times, emacs didn't have an X-Windows driver. On my current box, emacs-nox is 13 megabytes.

codemac 10y ago

Are these statically linked? ; ls -hl `{which emacs-25.1} -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 17M Sep 18 04:32 /bin/emacs-25.1 ; ls -hl `{which vim} -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2.6M Nov 15 16:06 /bin/vim ; 17M is much more reasonable, but emacs has many supporting files as well. It's been installed on every system I've ever used that wasn't busybox-based, you can package it much smaller.

dotancohen 10y ago

And to think that "Eight Megs And Counting" was once an exaggeration!

weaksauce 10y ago

Also, typically the tiny version of vim is installed by default.