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DES is also believed to contain a backdoor. And even if it only happened once, I still don't see how "Europe is farther down this path than the US is currently"

by kenoph 10y ago

DES is also believed to contain a backdoor. And even if it only happened once, I still don't see how "Europe is farther down this path than the US is currently".

strictnein 10y ago
So England is going to just have all this fun by itself? http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/23/13718768/uk-surveillance-laws-explained-investigatory-powers-bill http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/23/13718768/uk-surveillance-... They've actually had a law requiring you to decrypt on demand since 2007: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2007/10/uk-can-now-demand-data-decryption-on-penalty-of-jail-time/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2007/10/uk-can-now-demand... Nothing like that in the US at all. So, further down the path. France and Germany want similar laws. http://www.reuters.com/article/europe-attacks-france-germany-idUSL8N1B41UM http://www.reuters.com/article/europe-attacks-france-germany... And other countries are joining in the call: https://www.geektime.com/2016/11/26/5-eu-states-demand-better-police-freedoms-to-break-encryption-as-uk-implements-surveillance-law/ https://www.geektime.com/2016/11/26/5-eu-states-demand-bette...
- kenoph 10y ago
  Thanks for the pointers. I knew about the UK but I believe it is an exception in Europe rather than the rule, as of now. Of course I agree with you that probably most countries will try to get there, unfortunately. Then again, I can only read stuff written in my own language or English so I don't have the full view.
caf 10y ago
DES isn't widely believed to contain a backdoor. There were (a long time ago) questions about the changes the NSA made to the S-boxes, but it has since become apparent that these changes actually strengthened the cipher against differential cryptanalysis. DES was weakened in a much more prosaic manner: the effective key size was reduced to 56 bits.

by kenoph 10y ago

DES is also believed to contain a backdoor. And even if it only happened once, I still don't see how "Europe is farther down this path than the US is currently".

strictnein 10y ago

So England is going to just have all this fun by itself? http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/23/13718768/uk-surveillance-laws-explained-investigatory-powers-bill http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/23/13718768/uk-surveillance-... They've actually had a law requiring you to decrypt on demand since 2007: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2007/10/uk-can-now-demand-data-decryption-on-penalty-of-jail-time/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2007/10/uk-can-now-demand... Nothing like that in the US at all. So, further down the path. France and Germany want similar laws. http://www.reuters.com/article/europe-attacks-france-germany-idUSL8N1B41UM http://www.reuters.com/article/europe-attacks-france-germany... And other countries are joining in the call: https://www.geektime.com/2016/11/26/5-eu-states-demand-better-police-freedoms-to-break-encryption-as-uk-implements-surveillance-law/ https://www.geektime.com/2016/11/26/5-eu-states-demand-bette...

kenoph 10y ago
Thanks for the pointers. I knew about the UK but I believe it is an exception in Europe rather than the rule, as of now. Of course I agree with you that probably most countries will try to get there, unfortunately. Then again, I can only read stuff written in my own language or English so I don't have the full view.

caf 10y ago

DES isn't widely believed to contain a backdoor. There were (a long time ago) questions about the changes the NSA made to the S-boxes, but it has since become apparent that these changes actually strengthened the cipher against differential cryptanalysis. DES was weakened in a much more prosaic manner: the effective key size was reduced to 56 bits.