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Not necessarily. A company can't just magic the best or even good/adequate "engineering resources", AKA human beings, out of thin air, as anyone who's tried to

by hga 10y ago

Not necessarily. A company can't just magic the best or even good/adequate "engineering resources", AKA human beings, out of thin air, as anyone who's tried to start a startup even with serious cash in hand can attest. Apple's corporate culture has a variety of things that I would find hard to imagine not suppressing their ability to hire and retain the best; I'm sure others have a better idea than I, but the #1 thing staring us in the face is that software is not respected.

FireBeyond 10y ago
I hear this regularly, and I don't buy it. It's not that black and white. No-one is suggesting or implying that Apple throws some money at HR and Monday morning comes around and they're sitting down a new multi-hundred person engineering team like magic. But at this point, OS X/macOS improvement has been in obvious decline (since 10.6? 10.8?) for _several years_. No, Apple can't just magic an engineering team out of thin air. Apple can, however, create engineering teams given several years of it being a pressing priority. They were able to for iOS, for watchOS, etc. But therein lies the rub - with every month that goes by, it's clear that to call it a "pressing priority" to Apple would be to give it an importance that they clearly don't feel it has.
- twblalock 10y ago
  > But therein lies the rub - with every month that goes by, it's clear that to call it a "pressing priority" to Apple would be to give it an importance that they clearly don't feel it has. The question is, what is Apple's priority right now? The latest iPhone and Apple Watch models are incremental upgrades, and in the case of the iPhone, everyone expected a redesign (and Apple had two years to make that happen, but they either chose not to, or failed). macOS or whatever they call it now hasn't changed much in several years, as you pointed out. The Mac Pro is stagnant. The Mac Mini is stagnant. The new Macbook Pro model has the touch bar, after several years of sameness. The only recent Apple products that are a notable upgrade from their previous versions are the Apple TV with Siri, and potentially the touch bar Macbook Pro. That's all I can think of since the release of the iPhone 6 in 2014. I guess you could throw in the giant iPad Pro too, but I've never actually seen one outside of an Apple Store, so I don't know if they sell that well. I hope Apple has some exciting products lined up for 2017, because the past few years have been incremental at best.
  - grzm 10y ago
    The latest iPhone and Apple Watch models are incremental upgrades, and in the case of the iPhone, everyone expected a redesign Pretty much the only thing that didn't change on the iPhone in the latest rev was the form factor. Apple is also very well known for continual incremental upgrades. Yes, I'm going to quote Gruber: In every regard, from performance to battery life to camera image quality to haptic feedback to water resistance to wide color gamut displays to sound quality from the speakers, the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus are impressive year-over-year improvements over the 6S/6S Plus, and stunning improvements over the two- and three-year old iPhone 6 and 5S — which are the models most people considering the new iPhones will be upgrading from. https://daringfireball.net/2016/09/the_iphones_7 https://daringfireball.net/2016/09/the_iphones_7 Is the lack of a form factor change in the iPhone 7 make you think the iPhone is not (still) a priority for Apple?
    - twblalock 10y ago
      Every two years, there was a new iPhone form factor. Everyone expects that to continue. Apple is aware that this expectation exists, because Apple created that expectation by releasing a new iPhone form factor every two years. However, Apple did not meet that expectation this year, and did not offer any explanation. If that was deliberate, it was probably a stupid business move and definitely a failure to manage expectations. If it was not deliberate, it indicates that Apple can no longer finish a complete iPhone redesign in two years, which it was able to do in the past. Either way, it's not good. Frankly, John Gruber is a poster boy for rationalization of Apple's mistakes. He's like a dog that gets kicked and keeps coming back to its owner. If the iPhones were exploding instead of Galaxy Notes, Gruber would have defended Apple. If Apple decides to release smallpox in 2017 instead of a new iPhone, Gruber will eventually come around to Apple's side, like he always does.
      - grzm 10y ago
        Yup. John Gruber is well-known as a fan boy. That doesn't deny the points he makes in the article. Do you contest his analysis of the changes between the iPhone 6 and iPhone 7? After all, that's what you're arguing, correct? Something that lines up the spec differences between at least the iPhone 6 and 7, and even stronger, over the past few gens, and show that the improvements between the 6 and 7 show some reduction in pace of improvement than previous revs. At what point do you approach a near-perfect design? Look at the other phones out there, pretty much mimicking Apple's lead (with some exceptions, granted. The Samsung wrap-around screen is pretty cool). The whole attitude of "Apple isn't innovating fast enough, but I don't have any ideas as to what they might come up with, but I want something new and shiny" gets old. For me, I'd like to see a return to something like the 4s (I have small hands), but I'm okay with the 6. I'd also like a more camera-like camera, as I have some difficulty lining up the lens with the subject as the lens isn't centered on the body. I'm used to a DLSR. I don't take a lot of pictures, so this isn't a big deal for me, and a lot of people seem perfectly happy with the current set up. A lot of other phones have similar lens positions. What aspects of the iPhone form factor would you like changed?

by hga 10y ago

FireBeyond 10y ago

I hear this regularly, and I don't buy it. It's not that black and white. No-one is suggesting or implying that Apple throws some money at HR and Monday morning comes around and they're sitting down a new multi-hundred person engineering team like magic. But at this point, OS X/macOS improvement has been in obvious decline (since 10.6? 10.8?) for _several years_. No, Apple can't just magic an engineering team out of thin air. Apple can, however, create engineering teams given several years of it being a pressing priority. They were able to for iOS, for watchOS, etc. But therein lies the rub - with every month that goes by, it's clear that to call it a "pressing priority" to Apple would be to give it an importance that they clearly don't feel it has.

twblalock 10y ago
> But therein lies the rub - with every month that goes by, it's clear that to call it a "pressing priority" to Apple would be to give it an importance that they clearly don't feel it has. The question is, what is Apple's priority right now? The latest iPhone and Apple Watch models are incremental upgrades, and in the case of the iPhone, everyone expected a redesign (and Apple had two years to make that happen, but they either chose not to, or failed). macOS or whatever they call it now hasn't changed much in several years, as you pointed out. The Mac Pro is stagnant. The Mac Mini is stagnant. The new Macbook Pro model has the touch bar, after several years of sameness. The only recent Apple products that are a notable upgrade from their previous versions are the Apple TV with Siri, and potentially the touch bar Macbook Pro. That's all I can think of since the release of the iPhone 6 in 2014. I guess you could throw in the giant iPad Pro too, but I've never actually seen one outside of an Apple Store, so I don't know if they sell that well. I hope Apple has some exciting products lined up for 2017, because the past few years have been incremental at best.
- grzm 10y ago
  The latest iPhone and Apple Watch models are incremental upgrades, and in the case of the iPhone, everyone expected a redesign Pretty much the only thing that didn't change on the iPhone in the latest rev was the form factor. Apple is also very well known for continual incremental upgrades. Yes, I'm going to quote Gruber: In every regard, from performance to battery life to camera image quality to haptic feedback to water resistance to wide color gamut displays to sound quality from the speakers, the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus are impressive year-over-year improvements over the 6S/6S Plus, and stunning improvements over the two- and three-year old iPhone 6 and 5S — which are the models most people considering the new iPhones will be upgrading from. https://daringfireball.net/2016/09/the_iphones_7 https://daringfireball.net/2016/09/the_iphones_7 Is the lack of a form factor change in the iPhone 7 make you think the iPhone is not (still) a priority for Apple?
  - twblalock 10y ago
    Every two years, there was a new iPhone form factor. Everyone expects that to continue. Apple is aware that this expectation exists, because Apple created that expectation by releasing a new iPhone form factor every two years. However, Apple did not meet that expectation this year, and did not offer any explanation. If that was deliberate, it was probably a stupid business move and definitely a failure to manage expectations. If it was not deliberate, it indicates that Apple can no longer finish a complete iPhone redesign in two years, which it was able to do in the past. Either way, it's not good. Frankly, John Gruber is a poster boy for rationalization of Apple's mistakes. He's like a dog that gets kicked and keeps coming back to its owner. If the iPhones were exploding instead of Galaxy Notes, Gruber would have defended Apple. If Apple decides to release smallpox in 2017 instead of a new iPhone, Gruber will eventually come around to Apple's side, like he always does.
    - grzm 10y ago
      Yup. John Gruber is well-known as a fan boy. That doesn't deny the points he makes in the article. Do you contest his analysis of the changes between the iPhone 6 and iPhone 7? After all, that's what you're arguing, correct? Something that lines up the spec differences between at least the iPhone 6 and 7, and even stronger, over the past few gens, and show that the improvements between the 6 and 7 show some reduction in pace of improvement than previous revs. At what point do you approach a near-perfect design? Look at the other phones out there, pretty much mimicking Apple's lead (with some exceptions, granted. The Samsung wrap-around screen is pretty cool). The whole attitude of "Apple isn't innovating fast enough, but I don't have any ideas as to what they might come up with, but I want something new and shiny" gets old. For me, I'd like to see a return to something like the 4s (I have small hands), but I'm okay with the 6. I'd also like a more camera-like camera, as I have some difficulty lining up the lens with the subject as the lens isn't centered on the body. I'm used to a DLSR. I don't take a lot of pictures, so this isn't a big deal for me, and a lot of people seem perfectly happy with the current set up. A lot of other phones have similar lens positions. What aspects of the iPhone form factor would you like changed?