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Here's my idea to help - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12412788 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12412788 Rather than each comment having a global s

by gunn 10y ago

Here's my idea to help - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12412788 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12412788 Rather than each comment having a global score, each user sees comments scored based on their voting history. This means non-conforming opinions no longer get buried for everyone. An upvote should mean "I'd like to see more of this" not "I'd like everyone to see more of this".

mjevans 10y ago
I agree with your use of 'downvoting' to remove content personally but less so the correlation to 'upvoting'. Just because there's an up button and a down button close together, and clearly the intent that they are correlated, doesn't mean that the usage in practice is the same. A vote up means that the post is on topic, and relevant of showing to others preferentially in the eyes of the voter. A vote down is often used on topics that the voter simply /disagrees/ with, irrespective of relevance to the topic. Therefore I would propose that 'mixed votes' indicate a contentious, but likely on topic, point of discussion for further discourse and refinement. There should clearly be a threshold (a large number of votes, with a vast majority of them negative) for indicating actually harmful content.
greglindahl 10y ago
> his means non-conforming opinions no longer get buried for everyone. Huh. When I look over light-grey and dead comments in the stories I read, I see that most downvotes are not for non-conforming opinions.
TheBobinator 10y ago
I'd like to propose the comments on the page be ordered by whether they formed a thread or not (people responded), length (word count, longer posts explain more, shorter posts speak to the experienced), alphabetical order of name of the poster (if you want to see if someone specific you liked posted), or whether or not they contain a URL. However, by default, the page should randomize the display of comments every time it's loaded in order to force people to view some viewpoints occasionally that they might not like. The reason I come here is to have my opinions and views challenged; this refines the metrics by which I judge reality and the viewpoints I consider valid and generally enriches my life. Google has become all about pushing a viewpoint. Go into google right now and start typing in "a", "b", "c"; first thing that comes up is large big-box retail chains. Used to be you could find fringe topics via major search engines, now everything lives in it's walled garden; giving corps the ability to control viewpoints like that is somewhere in-between suicide and genocide. You want people constantly debating and discussing topics and not forcing themselves into an orthodoxy because it forces the habitation of developing a personal scientific method which doubles as a BS detector and inoculation against agents of psychological warfare.

by gunn 10y ago

mjevans 10y ago

I agree with your use of 'downvoting' to remove content personally but less so the correlation to 'upvoting'. Just because there's an up button and a down button close together, and clearly the intent that they are correlated, doesn't mean that the usage in practice is the same. A vote up means that the post is on topic, and relevant of showing to others preferentially in the eyes of the voter. A vote down is often used on topics that the voter simply /disagrees/ with, irrespective of relevance to the topic. Therefore I would propose that 'mixed votes' indicate a contentious, but likely on topic, point of discussion for further discourse and refinement. There should clearly be a threshold (a large number of votes, with a vast majority of them negative) for indicating actually harmful content.

greglindahl 10y ago

> his means non-conforming opinions no longer get buried for everyone. Huh. When I look over light-grey and dead comments in the stories I read, I see that most downvotes are not for non-conforming opinions.

TheBobinator 10y ago

I'd like to propose the comments on the page be ordered by whether they formed a thread or not (people responded), length (word count, longer posts explain more, shorter posts speak to the experienced), alphabetical order of name of the poster (if you want to see if someone specific you liked posted), or whether or not they contain a URL. However, by default, the page should randomize the display of comments every time it's loaded in order to force people to view some viewpoints occasionally that they might not like. The reason I come here is to have my opinions and views challenged; this refines the metrics by which I judge reality and the viewpoints I consider valid and generally enriches my life. Google has become all about pushing a viewpoint. Go into google right now and start typing in "a", "b", "c"; first thing that comes up is large big-box retail chains. Used to be you could find fringe topics via major search engines, now everything lives in it's walled garden; giving corps the ability to control viewpoints like that is somewhere in-between suicide and genocide. You want people constantly debating and discussing topics and not forcing themselves into an orthodoxy because it forces the habitation of developing a personal scientific method which doubles as a BS detector and inoculation against agents of psychological warfare.