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That little menu bar thing hanging out in the middle of my text as I scroll down is really annoying. I lose too much real estate to menu bars / title bars / tab

That little menu bar thing hanging out in the middle of my text as I scroll down is really annoying. I lose too much real estate to menu bars / title bars / tabs already. Don't add a floating menu bar 20 pixels below that.

wdewind 16y ago
Yeah I've really NEVER seen this kind of floating toolbar actually be useful. The number of times I'm annoyed by the floating bar greatly outweigh the number of times I'm annoyed by having to scroll back up to the top...
jasonlbaptiste 16y ago
I know. We need to change the blog look+feel. It seemed like a cool look/feel at first, but it's actually pretty annoying.
- timb 16y ago
  #quicklinks { position: absolute; } if you just want to turn off the toolbar stickiness.
  - jasonlbaptiste 16y ago
    thank you, that was very kind of you. I fixed and updated it. Stupid me thought that would have been a fix, but when trying it in firebug, i did it to the ul property for quicklinks.
- boredguy8 16y ago
  This is (part of) why I love HN. Loved your "some gaps to fill" article, btw. I still think the underlying limit, though, is the lack of a federated identity management system. Certainly oAuth is a huge step in the right direction, and avoids many of the problems of OpenID. But fundamentally, desktop applications are "single sign on". Imagine if you had to log in again to open office productivity software, then log in again to open a web browser, then log in a third time to launch your music player, and once more to balance your checkbook. Clearly SOME people are willing to do some degree of multiple sign-on (Logging in to gmail, then Pandora, and again to open Mint, for instance.) But until these context transitions are much smoother, there will continue to be blocks in adoption even if everything else you address is fixed.
  - jasonlbaptiste 16y ago
    thank you :). I feel like Apple may release some HTML5 tools with xcode at WWDC after re-reading steve's letter. It might end up filling some of the gaps. Identity is a huge problem. Not only for authentication, but for de-authentication as well. What if you fire someone and want to delete all their accounts you have for them on your SaaS apps? You have to deactivate each account manually: (basecamp, salesforce, wufoo, dropbox, and probably 5 others). http://www.onelogin.com/ http://www.onelogin.com/ is doing something interesting in this space.
    - boredguy8 16y ago
      Thanks for that linkup!
- pavel_lishin 16y ago
  I can't actually scroll through the page. Maybe it's a problem on my end, but using the mousewheel just results in the page jerking up and down a little bit, and hitting the down arrow throws me into the comments.
  - jasonlbaptiste 16y ago
    weird. all is okay on my end. browser/os? thank you.
    - Luyt 16y ago
      Same here. FF 3.6.3 on XP SP2.
    - pavel_lishin 16y ago
      Firefox 3.6.3, OS X 10.5.8

wdewind 16y ago

Yeah I've really NEVER seen this kind of floating toolbar actually be useful. The number of times I'm annoyed by the floating bar greatly outweigh the number of times I'm annoyed by having to scroll back up to the top...

jasonlbaptiste 16y ago

I know. We need to change the blog look+feel. It seemed like a cool look/feel at first, but it's actually pretty annoying.

timb 16y ago
#quicklinks { position: absolute; } if you just want to turn off the toolbar stickiness.
- jasonlbaptiste 16y ago
  thank you, that was very kind of you. I fixed and updated it. Stupid me thought that would have been a fix, but when trying it in firebug, i did it to the ul property for quicklinks.
boredguy8 16y ago
This is (part of) why I love HN. Loved your "some gaps to fill" article, btw. I still think the underlying limit, though, is the lack of a federated identity management system. Certainly oAuth is a huge step in the right direction, and avoids many of the problems of OpenID. But fundamentally, desktop applications are "single sign on". Imagine if you had to log in again to open office productivity software, then log in again to open a web browser, then log in a third time to launch your music player, and once more to balance your checkbook. Clearly SOME people are willing to do some degree of multiple sign-on (Logging in to gmail, then Pandora, and again to open Mint, for instance.) But until these context transitions are much smoother, there will continue to be blocks in adoption even if everything else you address is fixed.
- jasonlbaptiste 16y ago
  thank you :). I feel like Apple may release some HTML5 tools with xcode at WWDC after re-reading steve's letter. It might end up filling some of the gaps. Identity is a huge problem. Not only for authentication, but for de-authentication as well. What if you fire someone and want to delete all their accounts you have for them on your SaaS apps? You have to deactivate each account manually: (basecamp, salesforce, wufoo, dropbox, and probably 5 others). http://www.onelogin.com/ http://www.onelogin.com/ is doing something interesting in this space.
  - boredguy8 16y ago
    Thanks for that linkup!
pavel_lishin 16y ago
I can't actually scroll through the page. Maybe it's a problem on my end, but using the mousewheel just results in the page jerking up and down a little bit, and hitting the down arrow throws me into the comments.
- jasonlbaptiste 16y ago
  weird. all is okay on my end. browser/os? thank you.
  - Luyt 16y ago
    Same here. FF 3.6.3 on XP SP2.
  - pavel_lishin 16y ago
    Firefox 3.6.3, OS X 10.5.8