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Is the keyboard like the one on the Macbook? I tried it once in an Apple Store and didn't like it either. It feels weird to not really press the keys.

camillomiller 10y ago
It is only slightly better
greglindahl 10y ago
It took me a couple of days to get used to the Macbook keyboard. I had a similar transition time the last time Apple made a major change in their keyboards. I'm kind of astonished at how many people turn their noses up at different things based on a first impression, even in groups that you might consider early adopters of tech.
- npongratz 10y ago
  > I'm kind of astonished at how many people turn their noses up at different things based on a first impression, even in groups that you might consider early adopters of tech. Some early adopters of tech don't enjoy enduring regressions, and can see the regression from a mile and a month away. I'm especially grumpy when I see absurd, hyperbolic marketing used to sell anti-consumer regressions.
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  - nilkn 10y ago
    Doesn't this just support his point? You're more or less saying that you wrote off the keyboard as a regression at least a month before having the opportunity to even try it. I've used the keyboard for a week at this point and at this point have completely adapted to it. It doesn't feel like a regression to me at all.
    - agumonkey 10y ago
      Maybe keyboards were already à solved problem. People had no desire for change here. I find recent Apple quite off its market. They push markers higher because it was 'apple genius' before, without checking if the crowd still Dreams about that. A bit lazy and Self centered.
      - enraged_camel 10y ago
        >>Maybe keyboards were already à solved problem. This is a terrible attitude for a technologist to have. Cellphones were a "solved problem" before the first iPhone came out. Laptop monitors were a "solved problem" before the first retina MacBook Pro came out. Look where we are now. Of course, this doesn't mean every change made to an existing technology will be an improvement and/or be embraced right away and by everyone, but I see it as a Good Thing that a major technology player is still experimenting with things that everyone else has written off as "already solved."
        agumonkey 10y ago
        Cellphones I can agree, retina display not at all. This was not just about technology but how Apple is approaching its products. Latest MBP felt too much like technology solving non problems: bestest trackpad (too big, "no" palmrest), thinnest keyboard (no tactile feedback, needs to spend 1s on ensuring your fingers are at the right location), dynamic touchbar: too dynamic, forces people to leave the content and focus down. All this surrounded by this feel that what Apple did since the iPod/iPhone, cross coupling all their technological improvements along their product line (ipod helped the iphone, iphone helped the macbook air, etc etc) is now applied blindly because it worked before and Apple has to occupy the terrain and grab the spotlight.
        ant6n 10y ago
        Smartphones are a regression wrt to being phones. The iPhone is a mobile computer, which wasn't solved when it came out.
        10y ago
- falcolas 10y ago
  > It took me a couple of days to get used to the Macbook keyboard To be (un)fair, you can get used to a rock in your shoe as well. That doesn't mean you should. Having to "get used" to a keyboard to return to your previous typing ability seems to be a contra-indicator of the new Macs having a good keyboard.
  - greglindahl 10y ago
    That's reading a lot into my words. I was happy to "get used" to the new keyboard because I thought it was awesome that my laptop had become thinner and lighter... two things that I value more than having a keyboard that might be slightly better.
    - matthewking 10y ago
      To me that sounds like you're the target market for what was the Air, or what is now the MacBook. The MacBook Pro is their top of the line and shouldn't be diminishing something as important as the keyboard which people use all day for an extra mm off the thickness. They've crossed the line on form over function.
    - falcolas 10y ago
      Thinner and lighter only matter when carrying it around. Keyboards matter when you're using the computer. Most folks who use their computer 8 hours or more a day that I know tend to do more with the keyboard than they ever do lugging it around. So the keyboard really matters, even in small increments. I'm also going to make what I think is a reasonable assumption and say that a vast majority of folks are going to carry their laptops around in bags. In which case, the 7 ounces saved (for reference sake, this is about the same weight as a 45 watt power brick, minus the extension cord) is nearly meaningless, and the half inch on each dimension will be completely meaningless.
      - rayiner 10y ago
        If that were true, 13" wouldn't be the most popular laptop size.
bdcravens 10y ago
I tried switching to the 12" earlier this year. I ended up giving up due to the poor performance of the machine relative to my needs, but I did get used to the keyboard - once I got used to it, was able to pretty fast on it. (Then again, my work and home setups feature Das Keyboard Pros, one brown, one blue switches)
duaneb 10y ago
It seems like an ergonomic nightmare.
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AlphaSite 10y ago
Similar, but more travel.

camillomiller 10y ago

It is only slightly better

greglindahl 10y ago

It took me a couple of days to get used to the Macbook keyboard. I had a similar transition time the last time Apple made a major change in their keyboards. I'm kind of astonished at how many people turn their noses up at different things based on a first impression, even in groups that you might consider early adopters of tech.

npongratz 10y ago
> I'm kind of astonished at how many people turn their noses up at different things based on a first impression, even in groups that you might consider early adopters of tech. Some early adopters of tech don't enjoy enduring regressions, and can see the regression from a mile and a month away. I'm especially grumpy when I see absurd, hyperbolic marketing used to sell anti-consumer regressions.
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- nilkn 10y ago
  Doesn't this just support his point? You're more or less saying that you wrote off the keyboard as a regression at least a month before having the opportunity to even try it. I've used the keyboard for a week at this point and at this point have completely adapted to it. It doesn't feel like a regression to me at all.
  - agumonkey 10y ago
    Maybe keyboards were already à solved problem. People had no desire for change here. I find recent Apple quite off its market. They push markers higher because it was 'apple genius' before, without checking if the crowd still Dreams about that. A bit lazy and Self centered.
    - enraged_camel 10y ago
      >>Maybe keyboards were already à solved problem. This is a terrible attitude for a technologist to have. Cellphones were a "solved problem" before the first iPhone came out. Laptop monitors were a "solved problem" before the first retina MacBook Pro came out. Look where we are now. Of course, this doesn't mean every change made to an existing technology will be an improvement and/or be embraced right away and by everyone, but I see it as a Good Thing that a major technology player is still experimenting with things that everyone else has written off as "already solved."
      - agumonkey 10y ago
        Cellphones I can agree, retina display not at all. This was not just about technology but how Apple is approaching its products. Latest MBP felt too much like technology solving non problems: bestest trackpad (too big, "no" palmrest), thinnest keyboard (no tactile feedback, needs to spend 1s on ensuring your fingers are at the right location), dynamic touchbar: too dynamic, forces people to leave the content and focus down. All this surrounded by this feel that what Apple did since the iPod/iPhone, cross coupling all their technological improvements along their product line (ipod helped the iphone, iphone helped the macbook air, etc etc) is now applied blindly because it worked before and Apple has to occupy the terrain and grab the spotlight.
      - ant6n 10y ago
        Smartphones are a regression wrt to being phones. The iPhone is a mobile computer, which wasn't solved when it came out.
        10y ago
falcolas 10y ago
> It took me a couple of days to get used to the Macbook keyboard To be (un)fair, you can get used to a rock in your shoe as well. That doesn't mean you should. Having to "get used" to a keyboard to return to your previous typing ability seems to be a contra-indicator of the new Macs having a good keyboard.
- greglindahl 10y ago
  That's reading a lot into my words. I was happy to "get used" to the new keyboard because I thought it was awesome that my laptop had become thinner and lighter... two things that I value more than having a keyboard that might be slightly better.
  - matthewking 10y ago
    To me that sounds like you're the target market for what was the Air, or what is now the MacBook. The MacBook Pro is their top of the line and shouldn't be diminishing something as important as the keyboard which people use all day for an extra mm off the thickness. They've crossed the line on form over function.
  - falcolas 10y ago
    Thinner and lighter only matter when carrying it around. Keyboards matter when you're using the computer. Most folks who use their computer 8 hours or more a day that I know tend to do more with the keyboard than they ever do lugging it around. So the keyboard really matters, even in small increments. I'm also going to make what I think is a reasonable assumption and say that a vast majority of folks are going to carry their laptops around in bags. In which case, the 7 ounces saved (for reference sake, this is about the same weight as a 45 watt power brick, minus the extension cord) is nearly meaningless, and the half inch on each dimension will be completely meaningless.
    - rayiner 10y ago
      If that were true, 13" wouldn't be the most popular laptop size.

bdcravens 10y ago

I tried switching to the 12" earlier this year. I ended up giving up due to the poor performance of the machine relative to my needs, but I did get used to the keyboard - once I got used to it, was able to pretty fast on it. (Then again, my work and home setups feature Das Keyboard Pros, one brown, one blue switches)

duaneb 10y ago

It seems like an ergonomic nightmare.

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AlphaSite 10y ago

Similar, but more travel.