And now Zen comes out of forming an entirely new round of people. The amount of money lost from that particular issue, if that was the cause, boggles the mind.

And now Zen comes out of forming an entirely new round of people. The amount of money lost from that particular issue, if that was the cause, boggles the mind. (It's too bad that AMD didn't wind up on top so far in the GPGPU area - if they had, all that GPU influence being a problem probably would be much easier to write off.) Intel struggles in that area? AFAIK the only problem Intel struggles with, GPU-wise, is that they appear to loathe the idea of making discrete GPUs, so they're constantly trying to figure out how to make a fast GPU in an acceptable on-package area. I was under the impression that AMD's on-die GPUs, while (possibly? I haven't tested their on-die GPUs in a few generations) nicer than Intel's, were still not something to write home about.