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> People are healthier and living longer than ever. Nope. There are frightening reports stating that today's children will die sooner than their parents and e

> People are healthier and living longer than ever. Nope. There are frightening reports stating that today's children will die sooner than their parents and earn less than their grand parents. (Europe, ilygt)

lisper 10y ago
> today's children will die sooner than their parents Citations please? > and earn less than their grand parents What does that have to do with being healthier and living longer?
- johnchristopher 10y ago
  >> today's children will die sooner than their parents > Citations please? I'll show you mine if you show me yours. > > and earn less than their grand parents > What does that have to do with being healthier and living longer? Really ?
  - Buttons840 10y ago
    > I'll show you mine if you show me yours. Lisper didn't claim his observations came from a report. You did.
    - johnchristopher 10y ago
      Sorry but... > People are healthier and living longer than ever. ... such a bold statement call for a `citation please` even if it's not from a report or a study (that's even more the point).
  - lisper 10y ago
    https://www.amazon.com/Better-Angels-Our-Nature-Violence/dp/0143122010 https://www.amazon.com/Better-Angels-Our-Nature-Violence/dp/... And yes, really.
    - johnchristopher 10y ago
      You don't see the link between what's in your wallet and access to healthcare [0] ? http://poverty.ucdavis.edu/faq/how-poverty-related-access-care-and-preventive-healthcare http://poverty.ucdavis.edu/faq/how-poverty-related-access-ca... [0] Wether you live in the US or in of the EU so-called welfare states.
      - lisper 10y ago
        Of course I see the link. But the marginal losses in the developed world from drinking too much soda and income reductions are more than made up for by the reduction in extreme poverty and concomitant health improvements world-wide.
- johnchristopher 10y ago
  > > today's children will die sooner than their parents > Citations please? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/2449040/Children-will-die-younger-than-their-parents-minister-warns.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/2449040/Children-will... http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsr043743#t=article http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsr043743#t=article (Yup, as mass produced food becomes the main and only source of calories people can afford then their health will decrease. Yup, it's linked to money you can or can't make. Yup, if I had not landed a job this year I would have stopped using some medicine I need (severe allergy) for an over the counter solution because our health minister decided to drop it from the reimbursed medicine. It's happening. http://www.ibtimes.com/healthcare-2015-why-millennials-avoid-seeing-doctors-what-means-rising-healthcare-2065473 http://www.ibtimes.com/healthcare-2015-why-millennials-avoid... . And the over the counter solution would have ruined the inside of my nose after two weeks than I would then need more expensive care.)
  - lisper 10y ago
    These are not data, these are predictions. For first-world countries. The fact is that world-wide, at the moment, people are living longer, healthier lives than at any previous time in human history.
    - johnchristopher 10y ago
      Of course these are predictions. Those children haven't lived their lives yet. But it's nonetheless data-based predictions.
      - lisper 10y ago
        OK, well, we may just have to agree to disagree about this. Personally, I don't think that the fact that kids are drinking too much soda really refutes the thesis that we are currently in a golden age when you look at the situation globally and relative to the full sweep of human history. Yes, there are many things that could be improved (and having people drink less soda is certainly one of them). But things could be -- and have in the past almost universally been -- one hell of a lot worse than they are right now.

lisper 10y ago

> today's children will die sooner than their parents Citations please? > and earn less than their grand parents What does that have to do with being healthier and living longer?

johnchristopher 10y ago
>> today's children will die sooner than their parents > Citations please? I'll show you mine if you show me yours. > > and earn less than their grand parents > What does that have to do with being healthier and living longer? Really ?
- Buttons840 10y ago
  > I'll show you mine if you show me yours. Lisper didn't claim his observations came from a report. You did.
  - johnchristopher 10y ago
    Sorry but... > People are healthier and living longer than ever. ... such a bold statement call for a `citation please` even if it's not from a report or a study (that's even more the point).
- lisper 10y ago
  https://www.amazon.com/Better-Angels-Our-Nature-Violence/dp/0143122010 https://www.amazon.com/Better-Angels-Our-Nature-Violence/dp/... And yes, really.
  - johnchristopher 10y ago
    You don't see the link between what's in your wallet and access to healthcare [0] ? http://poverty.ucdavis.edu/faq/how-poverty-related-access-care-and-preventive-healthcare http://poverty.ucdavis.edu/faq/how-poverty-related-access-ca... [0] Wether you live in the US or in of the EU so-called welfare states.
    - lisper 10y ago
      Of course I see the link. But the marginal losses in the developed world from drinking too much soda and income reductions are more than made up for by the reduction in extreme poverty and concomitant health improvements world-wide.
johnchristopher 10y ago
> > today's children will die sooner than their parents > Citations please? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/2449040/Children-will-die-younger-than-their-parents-minister-warns.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/2449040/Children-will... http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsr043743#t=article http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsr043743#t=article (Yup, as mass produced food becomes the main and only source of calories people can afford then their health will decrease. Yup, it's linked to money you can or can't make. Yup, if I had not landed a job this year I would have stopped using some medicine I need (severe allergy) for an over the counter solution because our health minister decided to drop it from the reimbursed medicine. It's happening. http://www.ibtimes.com/healthcare-2015-why-millennials-avoid-seeing-doctors-what-means-rising-healthcare-2065473 http://www.ibtimes.com/healthcare-2015-why-millennials-avoid... . And the over the counter solution would have ruined the inside of my nose after two weeks than I would then need more expensive care.)
- lisper 10y ago
  These are not data, these are predictions. For first-world countries. The fact is that world-wide, at the moment, people are living longer, healthier lives than at any previous time in human history.
  - johnchristopher 10y ago
    Of course these are predictions. Those children haven't lived their lives yet. But it's nonetheless data-based predictions.
    - lisper 10y ago
      OK, well, we may just have to agree to disagree about this. Personally, I don't think that the fact that kids are drinking too much soda really refutes the thesis that we are currently in a golden age when you look at the situation globally and relative to the full sweep of human history. Yes, there are many things that could be improved (and having people drink less soda is certainly one of them). But things could be -- and have in the past almost universally been -- one hell of a lot worse than they are right now.