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Ursula Haverbeck.

DasIch 10y ago
Ursula Haverbeck is a nazi who denies the Holocaust and publicly lies about it. She was found guilty of incitement to hatred. That is not a violation of freedom of speech. Lies are not covered by freedom of speech in Germany, they're not covered by freedom of speech in other countries either, even the US. In fact in most countries certain types of lies are illegal and fall under laws against fraud, libel or any number of things. Germany simply also covers incitement of hatred. Additionally the first article of the German constitution and one of its fundamental principles is that human dignity shall be inviolable and that the state has a duty to respect and protect it. In my opinion ensuring the dignity of the vicitims of the holocaust is protected requires making sure that the state fights those that would deny the holocaust.
- whythrowaway 10y ago
  She presented numerous historical documents as evidence that the holocaust as we know it did not happen, and that the United States viewed the German people as a threat far prior to WWII and planned to exterminate them, for example via the "Hooton Plan" to use mass immigration of non-Europeans to breed native Germans out of existence. Does this sound familiar? For saying this, an elderly woman in her late 80s has been repeatedly imprisoned. Sounds like thoughtcrime to me.
  - DasIch 10y ago
    Oh, yes this does sound familiar, it sounds like you're a holocaust denier and a nazi as well, I should have guessed.
    - whythrowaway 10y ago
      Good thing you had those labels handy, you might have had to think.
  - prodmerc 10y ago
    Right, the US planned to exterminate Germans via immigrants. And by the US, you mean one loony guy named Hooton. And by planned, you mean he mentioned it as a possible idea.
  - cyphar 10y ago
    I just read one of her blog posts[1], not knowing who she is. Unless you want to claim that Google translate deliberately mistranslates her words, she's incredibly fucking racist. I'm not a fan of Islam (and criticise it myself), but saying that all Arabic and Turkish children should be sent back to their home countries to protect German children is undeniably hate speech. [1]: http://ursula-haverbeck.info/richter-staatsanwalt-und-polizist/ http://ursula-haverbeck.info/richter-staatsanwalt-und-polizi...
- cLeEOGPw 10y ago
  > Lies are not covered by freedom of speech in Germany Who is the decider of truth? The state. It is the only source of "truth" and "liars" are excluded from human rights. Sounds pretty much textbook definition of thought crime laws.
  - grzm 10y ago
    Do you consider libel or slander thoughtcrime?

Ursula Haverbeck.

Ursula Haverbeck is a nazi who denies the Holocaust and publicly lies about it. She was found guilty of incitement to hatred. That is not a violation of freedom of speech. Lies are not covered by freedom of speech in Germany, they're not covered by freedom of speech in other countries either, even the US. In fact in most countries certain types of lies are illegal and fall under laws against fraud, libel or any number of things. Germany simply also covers incitement of hatred. Additionally the first article of the German constitution and one of its fundamental principles is that human dignity shall be inviolable and that the state has a duty to respect and protect it. In my opinion ensuring the dignity of the vicitims of the holocaust is protected requires making sure that the state fights those that would deny the holocaust.

whythrowaway 10y ago
She presented numerous historical documents as evidence that the holocaust as we know it did not happen, and that the United States viewed the German people as a threat far prior to WWII and planned to exterminate them, for example via the "Hooton Plan" to use mass immigration of non-Europeans to breed native Germans out of existence. Does this sound familiar? For saying this, an elderly woman in her late 80s has been repeatedly imprisoned. Sounds like thoughtcrime to me.
- DasIch 10y ago
  Oh, yes this does sound familiar, it sounds like you're a holocaust denier and a nazi as well, I should have guessed.
  - whythrowaway 10y ago
    Good thing you had those labels handy, you might have had to think.
- prodmerc 10y ago
  Right, the US planned to exterminate Germans via immigrants. And by the US, you mean one loony guy named Hooton. And by planned, you mean he mentioned it as a possible idea.
- cyphar 10y ago
  I just read one of her blog posts[1], not knowing who she is. Unless you want to claim that Google translate deliberately mistranslates her words, she's incredibly fucking racist. I'm not a fan of Islam (and criticise it myself), but saying that all Arabic and Turkish children should be sent back to their home countries to protect German children is undeniably hate speech. [1]: http://ursula-haverbeck.info/richter-staatsanwalt-und-polizist/ http://ursula-haverbeck.info/richter-staatsanwalt-und-polizi...
cLeEOGPw 10y ago
> Lies are not covered by freedom of speech in Germany Who is the decider of truth? The state. It is the only source of "truth" and "liars" are excluded from human rights. Sounds pretty much textbook definition of thought crime laws.
- grzm 10y ago
  Do you consider libel or slander thoughtcrime?