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Charismatic? Yes, but so was Hitler and Osama bin Laden. Revolutionary? yes, but so was Hitler. So, let's get it clear that that doesn't make him humane and go
by tmptmp 10y ago
Charismatic? Yes, but so was Hitler and Osama bin Laden.
Revolutionary? yes, but so was Hitler.
So, let's get it clear that that doesn't make him humane and good for society.
>>If you think you're better, then do better. Be better. Don't refuse to acknowledge the humanity of another person because you believe you can totalize their entire life under a cheap tagline.
This is a disingenuous advice.
Will you not criticize Hitler? So, do you propose to acknowledge the humanity of Hitler and don't criticize him? Castro would have happily become Hitler, if he could get power.
Criticizing him or anyone is not necessarily reducing them to a tagline. He deserves much and harsh criticism than most thugs, criminals and religious extremists in the world. He was an extremely cruel, dictator with no remorse for his cruel and inhumane actions.
But what do you expect from a follower of communism? Communism is a very vicious ideology which leaves no room for any type of dissent. You either toe the party-line or get killed/maimed/imprisoned.
Sad, this criminal didn't die a lot earlier.
- apsec112 10y agoI'm as anti-communist as they come, but comparing Castro to Hitler is ridiculous. Castro never set up camps for the sole purpose of mass murder. Castro didn't create special army units to machine gun hundreds of thousands of civilians. Castro didn't deliberately starve entire cities of people to death.
- briandear 10y agoCastro was Hitler without the industrial base. http://www.therealcuba.com/?page_id=55 http://www.therealcuba.com/?page_id=55 Essentially he was a pre-revenue Hiltler.
- geezerjay 10y agoYou're arguing that some aspects of Hitler's National Socialism don't match Fidel Castro's Marxism-Leninism, while purposely ignoring all similarities, common to any totalitarian and repressive regime. Castro's long list of political executions are well documented. We may agree that Nazi death camps have a scale of their own, but this is no reason to turn a blind eye to the oppressive and persecutory nature of Fidel Castro's regime.
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- Udvikler 10y agoFidel != Hitler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
- mullingitover 10y agoZero to Godwin in two posts.
- briandear 10y agoHowever in this case it's appropriate. We are talking violent, oppressive world leaders. I would offer that Godwin doesn't apply here.
- sebastianconcpt 10y agoExactly. Communist propaganda and cultural war was so good and effective that many will miss the part that we are talking about a socialist totalitarian in both regimes so appealing to Godwin is a non-antiargument and a fail to reason itself
- posterboy 10y agoIt's still anecdotal evidence and distracts.
- sebastianconcpt 10y agoBest case where Godwin becomes a non-antiargument because you are talking about a socialist totalitarian in both cases right?
- ZeroGravitas 10y ago"First they came for the Socialists..." Hitler was right-wing.
- sebastianconcpt 10y agoHitler was NOT right-wing, please! His party was national socialist workers party. He learned from the best, his friend Stalin. Then they do what communists do best betray themselves and kill adversaries. Nobody, nobody come even close to kill even a fraction of the number of communists killed by other communists http://louderwithcrowder.com/myth-busted-actually-yes-hitler-was-a-socialist-liberal/ http://louderwithcrowder.com/myth-busted-actually-yes-hitler... So no, nobody is coming for you in a free society that is not marxist
- celticninja 10y agoSounds like you believed the US propaganda over the Cuban propaganda.
- jeswin 10y agoThe majority in the US hold an unfavorable view of Castro, but that's not the case worldwide. Even in Canada for instance, the more people think Castro was good for Cuba than not [1]. Asia generally holds him in high regard, and Europe has mixed feelings. For some objectivity, we could look at some stats. PPP adjusted GDP per capita is much lower than the US, but way better than China. Education is excellent [2] because they spend 10% of their budget on it. Life expectancy (~79, gasp!) is higher than the United States. All of this with a near total embargo from the next-door global economic super power. Western record on human rights is equally bad. In Castro's time, the Vietnam war resulted in 1.3 million deaths. More recently, the invasion of Iraq has resulted in 125,000 non-combatant deaths. Western allies today like Saudi have the most egregious human rights records. I hate communism, but even with unrestrained exaggeration, Castro isn't Hitler. Such a claim is either a result of media manipulation of history or a flawed history curriculum. [1] http://www.pewglobal.org/2008/02/19/global-views-on-castro-and-cuba/ http://www.pewglobal.org/2008/02/19/global-views-on-castro-a... [2] https://novakdjokovicfoundation.org/education-system-of-cuba-path-to-success/ https://novakdjokovicfoundation.org/education-system-of-cuba...
- formula1 10y agoWhy are cubans in miami celebrating his death? Are they misguided minorities that should follow the example of armchair politicians in privledged countries?
- k-mcgrady 10y ago>> "Why are cubans in miami celebrating his death?" Because they didn't like him and got out. There were people who celebrated Margaret Thatcher's death. There would be people who would celebrate the death of some current world leaders. On the other hand there would be people who would mourn those deaths.
- formula1 10y agoDid Magret Thatcher execute people? Did she create an air of fear and enforce isolationism at the expense of a country they ruled? These are apples and oranges
- id 10y ago> Communism is a very vicious ideology which leaves no room for any type of dissent. Looks like you have no idea what communism really is.
- pmden 10y agoOn the contrary, he knows exactly what communism is. He's just mistakenly ascribed the realities of communism to the ideology. Even then, I suspect this is all semantics and he doesn't actually think Marx was advocating despots and totalitarian rule.
- dorfsmay 10y agoPart of the communist rhetoric is that complete free speech is not good. But before judging that aspect of communism, remember that it's other type of regime apply the same restrictions, and indeed communism was illegal in the U.S. at some point.
- cloverich 10y agoWhen I first started learning about communism (college really) I went in thinking this. But I recall eventually thinking that if the mantra of communist revolution was a forceful overthrow of existing government -- by definition not the will of the (majority) people - then a ban on the parties (public) existence was justified. Do you agree with the premise and if so does it affect the equality of your comparison at all (the free speech restrictions)?
- dorfsmay 10y agoIt is different in the sense that restricting free speech is part of the communist theory/ideal, while not a requirement from capitalism. Was the restriction on communism inth U.S. in the 50s the will of the majority of the people? My point was, restricting free speech is indeed part of communism, but be careful before judging the system in relations to other systems based on that small piece of information. It's easy to start spewing "communism = evil" because we've been told so many times, and just use any small piece of information to justify our position, rather than having a hard look, not only at communism, but all the systems in place, both their theory and applications.
- XJOKOLAT 10y ago>>"Sad, this criminal didn't die a lot earlier." Expected a higher level of discourse on HN. Wishful thinking.
- tmptmp 10y agoSorry, it came off too naive. But please consider that first of all I am a human, and I have very strong feelings against this tyrant and many others like him, so I expressed my feelings. Also, I didn't just put that only statement here. I made a reasonably well argument against the tyrant.