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> Like how US saved Haiti and Libya and Iraq, right? Libya was a NATO intervention that was pushed and led by France, specifically Sarkozy's government.

Pica_soO 10y ago
The tail gave the dog horrible tremors indeed.
varjag 10y ago
It also ended up a lot better than non-intervention in Syria. Although make no mistake, the USA is blamed for both anyway.
- geezerjay 10y ago
  > It also ended up a lot better than non-intervention in Syria. It ended marginally better because NATO's intervention decisively tipped the scales against Gaddafi's regime. The Syrian civil war has been in a stalemate for years, and only recently has Assad's regime been making inroads due to Russia's decisive and no-holds-barred military intervention.
  - varjag 10y ago
    If by marginally we mean a difference of half million dead and three million seeking refuge, I beg to disagree. And yes Syria is an intangible mess now, probably the same would have been in Lybia if it was left to own civil war for 5 more years.
    - geezerjay 10y ago
      > If by marginally we mean a difference of half million dead and three million seeking refuge, I beg to disagree. Now, factor in the fact that Libya is now a failed state and the refugee crisis is largely caused by human traffickers using Libya as a staging area to send those countless lifeboats packed with countless unwitting victims, a great number of which end up dead in the Mediterranean.
      - varjag 10y ago
        The cause of the current refugee crisis is not Libya, this is really creative interpretation of the results of Syria non-intervention policy.
- Trombone12 10y ago
  There is still civil war in Libya, it barely gets any mentioning so I don't know how much less the killings are. Furthermore, non-intervention only meant no actual American troops in Syria, not staying out of the conflict: the US has funded, armed and trained much of the opposition from the start of the conflict, and US made and supplied anti-tank weapons are prominent in the rebels ability to counter the armoured forces of the Syrian army.
  - varjag 10y ago
    Victims of Libyan conflicts are still counted in thousands (which is huge still when viewed alone), and there is no refugee crisis thus far. Any of the US involvement to Syria beyond verbal support occurred only years into the conflict, and even then it was minimal compared to meddling of Turkey, Arab states or Russia.

Pica_soO 10y ago

The tail gave the dog horrible tremors indeed.

varjag 10y ago

It also ended up a lot better than non-intervention in Syria. Although make no mistake, the USA is blamed for both anyway.

geezerjay 10y ago
> It also ended up a lot better than non-intervention in Syria. It ended marginally better because NATO's intervention decisively tipped the scales against Gaddafi's regime. The Syrian civil war has been in a stalemate for years, and only recently has Assad's regime been making inroads due to Russia's decisive and no-holds-barred military intervention.
- varjag 10y ago
  If by marginally we mean a difference of half million dead and three million seeking refuge, I beg to disagree. And yes Syria is an intangible mess now, probably the same would have been in Lybia if it was left to own civil war for 5 more years.
  - geezerjay 10y ago
    > If by marginally we mean a difference of half million dead and three million seeking refuge, I beg to disagree. Now, factor in the fact that Libya is now a failed state and the refugee crisis is largely caused by human traffickers using Libya as a staging area to send those countless lifeboats packed with countless unwitting victims, a great number of which end up dead in the Mediterranean.
    - varjag 10y ago
      The cause of the current refugee crisis is not Libya, this is really creative interpretation of the results of Syria non-intervention policy.
Trombone12 10y ago
There is still civil war in Libya, it barely gets any mentioning so I don't know how much less the killings are. Furthermore, non-intervention only meant no actual American troops in Syria, not staying out of the conflict: the US has funded, armed and trained much of the opposition from the start of the conflict, and US made and supplied anti-tank weapons are prominent in the rebels ability to counter the armoured forces of the Syrian army.
- varjag 10y ago
  Victims of Libyan conflicts are still counted in thousands (which is huge still when viewed alone), and there is no refugee crisis thus far. Any of the US involvement to Syria beyond verbal support occurred only years into the conflict, and even then it was minimal compared to meddling of Turkey, Arab states or Russia.