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In all seriousness, I was expecting the article to be like "on nov 5th, I went to Shenzhen to attend the annual Shenzhen I/O hardware hacker conference.. and bo

by xt00 10y ago

In all seriousness, I was expecting the article to be like "on nov 5th, I went to Shenzhen to attend the annual Shenzhen I/O hardware hacker conference.. and boy was I blown away.. lots of cool stuff people are working on..".. then I'm like, um, a game? what?

qwertyuiop924 10y ago
It's not just a game: it's a Zachtronics game.
- alphapapa 10y ago
  Excuse the intrusion, but there's no PM system on HN... I've noticed your recent, prolific rise to prominence here on HN. You seem to have come out of nowhere and shot past most other users whose accounts are much older. I would be interested in reading an article from you on what you've learned and observed over the past year. [Boy, harsh. It's not like there's an email address on the guy's profile. Guess I should have contacted him telepathically. Yet another reminder to keep showdead on.]
  - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
    Gee. I had a prolific rise to prominence? I didn't notice. I'm certainly one of the less interesting and skilled people on this forum, so I'm frankly baffled. Well, since you asked... The most important thing that I've learned is that it's a good idea to put yourself out there: Say what you think, be honest, and be ready to defend your ideas (but also be ready to admit you were wrong if you find out that you are). Also, don't worry about the possibility saying something stupid. Some of the best conversations I've had on HN happened because I said something stupid: If you say something stupid, that usually means that you aren't well educated in that area, and hold misconceptions. It's best to get those misconceptions out there, so that you'll know that they're wrong. Remember to attack ideas, not people. Even when you really, really, want to attack people. It's not worth it. Don't focus on your karma too much: just because you got downed doesn't mean it wasn't worth saying.
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    - alphapapa 10y ago
      Thanks, appreciate your response. Do you have any thoughts about the voting system on HN? Not that it's going to change, but I am becoming quite tired of seeing worthwhile, interesting comments downvoted into grayness. It feels like a kind of anonymous shaming, like a group of people put on masks, gather around someone, and wag their fingers at them until they are shamed into silence. It only takes a few people to downvote a comment into obscurity, and it may happen by chance that the first few people to see it are censorious, preventing others who would upvote it from even seeing it. I strongly think that there should only be two options: upvote, or flag for rule violations.
      - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
        I'm not a fan, either. On the one hand, the voting system is very good at getting rid of bad comments. OTOH, more often than not, the comments that get downed aren't actually the right ones, and the right ones are violating the rules anyways, so downing them is pointless. Unfortunately, that would mean that not upvoting is now an implicit down... But yeah, voting systems in general aren't great: one of the worst comments I ever wrote got heavily upvoted, before dang (quite rightly) detached the subtree and chastised me. Voting systems encourage a site to move toward a circlejerk, as everybody vigourously agrees with each other, any dissent silenced. Every community is a little bit of a circlejerk, because communities are brought together through some kind of shared value. But if you full-on circlejerk, you're left with a boring echochamber, which doesn't challenge anybody intellectually, because everybody agrees. However, any alternatives to the voting system have their own problems (see 4chan): a good community doesn't succeed because of their thread ranking system: it succeeds in spite of it (see lainchan and HN). And yes, I put HN in the good group: despite how broken voting is (pretty much by design), HN works pretty well.
ldev 10y ago
I read that as "Schengen IO" and expected one programmers (because IO) analysis on some european citizens migration data from country to country. :)
- contingencies 10y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_name_record https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_name_record

by xt00 10y ago

qwertyuiop924 10y ago

It's not just a game: it's a Zachtronics game.

alphapapa 10y ago
Excuse the intrusion, but there's no PM system on HN... I've noticed your recent, prolific rise to prominence here on HN. You seem to have come out of nowhere and shot past most other users whose accounts are much older. I would be interested in reading an article from you on what you've learned and observed over the past year. [Boy, harsh. It's not like there's an email address on the guy's profile. Guess I should have contacted him telepathically. Yet another reminder to keep showdead on.]
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago
  Gee. I had a prolific rise to prominence? I didn't notice. I'm certainly one of the less interesting and skilled people on this forum, so I'm frankly baffled. Well, since you asked... The most important thing that I've learned is that it's a good idea to put yourself out there: Say what you think, be honest, and be ready to defend your ideas (but also be ready to admit you were wrong if you find out that you are). Also, don't worry about the possibility saying something stupid. Some of the best conversations I've had on HN happened because I said something stupid: If you say something stupid, that usually means that you aren't well educated in that area, and hold misconceptions. It's best to get those misconceptions out there, so that you'll know that they're wrong. Remember to attack ideas, not people. Even when you really, really, want to attack people. It's not worth it. Don't focus on your karma too much: just because you got downed doesn't mean it wasn't worth saying.
  - deleted 10y ago
    [deleted]
  - alphapapa 10y ago
    Thanks, appreciate your response. Do you have any thoughts about the voting system on HN? Not that it's going to change, but I am becoming quite tired of seeing worthwhile, interesting comments downvoted into grayness. It feels like a kind of anonymous shaming, like a group of people put on masks, gather around someone, and wag their fingers at them until they are shamed into silence. It only takes a few people to downvote a comment into obscurity, and it may happen by chance that the first few people to see it are censorious, preventing others who would upvote it from even seeing it. I strongly think that there should only be two options: upvote, or flag for rule violations.
    - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
      I'm not a fan, either. On the one hand, the voting system is very good at getting rid of bad comments. OTOH, more often than not, the comments that get downed aren't actually the right ones, and the right ones are violating the rules anyways, so downing them is pointless. Unfortunately, that would mean that not upvoting is now an implicit down... But yeah, voting systems in general aren't great: one of the worst comments I ever wrote got heavily upvoted, before dang (quite rightly) detached the subtree and chastised me. Voting systems encourage a site to move toward a circlejerk, as everybody vigourously agrees with each other, any dissent silenced. Every community is a little bit of a circlejerk, because communities are brought together through some kind of shared value. But if you full-on circlejerk, you're left with a boring echochamber, which doesn't challenge anybody intellectually, because everybody agrees. However, any alternatives to the voting system have their own problems (see 4chan): a good community doesn't succeed because of their thread ranking system: it succeeds in spite of it (see lainchan and HN). And yes, I put HN in the good group: despite how broken voting is (pretty much by design), HN works pretty well.

ldev 10y ago

I read that as "Schengen IO" and expected one programmers (because IO) analysis on some european citizens migration data from country to country. :)

contingencies 10y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_name_record https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_name_record