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Yes. My impression was then when America tried to force other countries to participate in the embargo they told them to shove it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wik

by rat87 10y ago

Yes. My impression was then when America tried to force other countries to participate in the embargo they told them to shove it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helms%E2%80%93Burton_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helms%E2%80%93Burton_Act Also yes Cuba has trade with the rest of the world http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/cub/ http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/cub/ > Cuba is the 140th largest export economy in the world. In 2014, Cuba exported $1.74B and imported $5.91B, resulting in a negative trade balance of $4.17B. > The top exports of Cuba are Raw Sugar ($392M), Refined Petroleum ($314M), Rolled Tobacco ($236M), Hard Liquor ($116M) and Raw Nickel ($108M), using the 1992 revision of the HS (Harmonized System) classification. Its top imports are Wheat ($234M), Refined Petroleum ($228M), Concentrated Milk ($207M), Corn ($204M) and Poultry Meat ($196M). > The top export destinations of Cuba are China ($311M), the Netherlands ($157M), Spain ($141M), Senegal ($92M) and the United Kingdom ($67.3M). The top import origins are China ($1.05B), Spain ($920M), Brazil ($507M), Canada ($389M) and Mexico ($360M). Of course geography still matters, the US is nearby, large, and rich. Exporting to the US would be a huge plus for the Cuban economy but it wouldn't change everything.

duncanawoods 10y ago
>> My impression was then when America tried to force other countries to participate in the embargo they told them to shove it. Your impression is wrong. An example knock-on effect relevant to HN is that as a UK company, we couldn't sell windows software to Cuba because things like windows run-time libraries would be covered by the US export embargo. In theory, they wouldn't even have a legal copy of any US operating system. I'm sure there were similar knock-on effects across all industries that had US products, suppliers or connections in their business.
- raverbashing 10y ago
  This is naive As even you said, Cuba was not supposed to have Windows copies, but I'm sure they had Iran theoretically couldn't have access to Boeing parts (and this was a stricter embargo), but they had There's always a way of solving things. Most of Cuban problems were caused by themselves, not the embargo.
  - kuschku 10y ago
    > There's always a way of solving things. Except, not really. You can’t put any app using any encryption technology up on the Google Play Store or the iOS App Store, if you also distribute anything to Cuba. For the first you need to get an approval from the US DoD, which requires that you never interact with Cuba.
    - raverbashing 10y ago
      Yes, but you don't sell it directly to Cuba, you sell it to $COUNTRY which might eventually sell it to Cuba (and you don't even know about it) It's not you selling to Cuba, it's Cuba buying through intermediates. (Of course if you really want you can sell things directly to Cuba, but you need to find a way of disguising it) You're (or, were) also forbidden from bringing Cuban cigars to the US, but if you arrive from a flight from Panama with a box of unmarked cigars nobody is going to do anything.
    - rat87 10y ago
      You could sell apks
      - kuschku 10y ago
        I can’t sell anything to Cuba while also providing anything in the Google Store or the Apple App Store. That’s part fo the issue.
  - duncanawoods 10y ago
    >> This is naive What? This was the real world, a matter of first hand experience. We could not consider jeopardising sales to our biggest market (the US) by breaking US embargo for a barely significant market.
    - raverbashing 10y ago
      You're right, you shouldn't consider doing it unless there are significant gains to be had. But see my other comment. (However, I don't think Cuba has qualms about pirating software, if this was hw it would have been a different issue)
- varjag 10y ago
  You could write your software in another operating system, giving a middle finger to oppressive Uncle Sam. Not doing so shows you did not appreciate Cuban market enough. Same goes for other products. Don't base them on U.S. technology if you plan to trade with America's enemies.

by rat87 10y ago

duncanawoods 10y ago

>> My impression was then when America tried to force other countries to participate in the embargo they told them to shove it. Your impression is wrong. An example knock-on effect relevant to HN is that as a UK company, we couldn't sell windows software to Cuba because things like windows run-time libraries would be covered by the US export embargo. In theory, they wouldn't even have a legal copy of any US operating system. I'm sure there were similar knock-on effects across all industries that had US products, suppliers or connections in their business.

raverbashing 10y ago
This is naive As even you said, Cuba was not supposed to have Windows copies, but I'm sure they had Iran theoretically couldn't have access to Boeing parts (and this was a stricter embargo), but they had There's always a way of solving things. Most of Cuban problems were caused by themselves, not the embargo.
- kuschku 10y ago
  > There's always a way of solving things. Except, not really. You can’t put any app using any encryption technology up on the Google Play Store or the iOS App Store, if you also distribute anything to Cuba. For the first you need to get an approval from the US DoD, which requires that you never interact with Cuba.
  - raverbashing 10y ago
    Yes, but you don't sell it directly to Cuba, you sell it to $COUNTRY which might eventually sell it to Cuba (and you don't even know about it) It's not you selling to Cuba, it's Cuba buying through intermediates. (Of course if you really want you can sell things directly to Cuba, but you need to find a way of disguising it) You're (or, were) also forbidden from bringing Cuban cigars to the US, but if you arrive from a flight from Panama with a box of unmarked cigars nobody is going to do anything.
  - rat87 10y ago
    You could sell apks
    - kuschku 10y ago
      I can’t sell anything to Cuba while also providing anything in the Google Store or the Apple App Store. That’s part fo the issue.
- duncanawoods 10y ago
  >> This is naive What? This was the real world, a matter of first hand experience. We could not consider jeopardising sales to our biggest market (the US) by breaking US embargo for a barely significant market.
  - raverbashing 10y ago
    You're right, you shouldn't consider doing it unless there are significant gains to be had. But see my other comment. (However, I don't think Cuba has qualms about pirating software, if this was hw it would have been a different issue)
varjag 10y ago
You could write your software in another operating system, giving a middle finger to oppressive Uncle Sam. Not doing so shows you did not appreciate Cuban market enough. Same goes for other products. Don't base them on U.S. technology if you plan to trade with America's enemies.