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As a Russian, who was born in USSR, I regret that CIA has failed to assassinate him 50 years ago. May be Cuba would be liberated from communist/socialist diseas

As a Russian, who was born in USSR, I regret that CIA has failed to assassinate him 50 years ago. May be Cuba would be liberated from communist/socialist disease. Look at countries who declared a war against free markets - Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea. They are absolutely pathetic.

usaphp 10y ago
Look at counties that did not declare war against free markets. Look at mexico, look at Haiti, or some other Caribbean countries, most of them are doing much worse than Cuba. Communism/socialism disease did not harm China that much ether. Embargo is what hurt Cuba
- hal9000xp 10y ago
  Haiti on the bottom of economy freedom rating [1] and corruption rating [2]. Haiti has huge anti-free market red tape and rampant corruption. It means that Haiti did declare a war against free markets. Free market economy is possible only in country with strong property rights, rule of law with no corruption, and no red tape. All countries which adopted these principles are rich and have very high standard of living. I think 99.999% of folks who like communism/socialism don't understand what free market capitalism IS. [1] http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking [2] http://www.transparency.org/cpi2015#results-table http://www.transparency.org/cpi2015#results-table
  - wycx 10y ago
    *no red tape Those three words are where things get complicated. In a general sense red tape is the difference between a laissez faire economy and a free market economy, if you mean government regulation when you say red tape. Though by red tape you might also mean anti-competitve regulations implemented at the behest of a firm or sector of the economy. In that case it is still very important to acknowledge that free markets are not a natural state, and require regulation of some form to remain functional or even exist.
    - hal9000xp 10y ago
      By red-tape I mean anti-market/anti-business laws. I was born in Uzbekistan, I know how system works in such countries. You can't do business there without making bribes. Countries like Uzbekistan intentionally create such laws which is impossible to follow and stay in business. Red tape decrease competition, increase favouritism which leads to pro-government monopolies which keep control over big chunk of market. Free markets do require very strong laws but these laws should be: 1) In favour of strong property rights; 2) Equally friendly to new enterprises/small business/big business; 3) Lean, not over-complicated; Basically role of the government is to keep highly competitive economic enthronement without favouritism.
  - usaphp 10y ago
    > "I think 99.999% of folks who like communism/socialism don't understand what free market capitalism IS." It's hard to build a free market when you have an embargo and a huge pressure from the outside world
- GunboatDiplomat 10y ago
  China was doing really really badly until Mao died and Deng took power and began implementing market reforms, bringing capitalism in.
aikah 10y ago
> As a Russian, who was born in USSR, I regret that CIA has failed to assassinate him 50 years ago. Your problem is thinking that covered operations make the world better. It obviously didn't work in Iran, Vietnam, Cambodia, Congo, Argentina, Venezuela, Colombia, Bolivia and many others countries. In fact it made the situation worse in most cases.
- hal9000xp 10y ago
  Because just topping dictator is not enough, you also have to manage coup and support right side (i.e. those who are in favour democracy, secularism and market economy). US sucks at finding and supporting right side. If US just assassinated Castro but did nothing else communist regime won't fall, it can even gain stronger support from masses. The coup should be well prepared and US should feel responsibility about what will happen after. Coup is definitely very difficult and complicated surgery.
  - daptaq 10y ago
    >US sucks at finding and supporting right side. No, they do a perfect job at finding the right side. They always install, whatever is best for them, ie. American Corporations. The US does not care about human rights, it's all just used to legitimize their position. Capitalism has no conscious, it ONLY does what is most profitable, whatever it might be. What should they gain by having a democracy somewhere else? "Free Markets", is another topic. The US loves those, especially if their companies can expand their "market" or, even better, use the locals to produce under inhuman circumstances. Considering that, I believe the US is a "great" imperialist power, and really good at choosing their puppets. What a pity those "stupid cubans", didn't give the US a second chance to exploit them under a different puppet. It would have been a lot better.
IslaDeEncanta 10y ago
Russia still has not regained the standard of living that existed during the USSR.
- Jenya_ 10y ago
  I do not agree, oil wealth moved Russia miles ahead of 80s USSR experience (I see this first-hand).
  - IslaDeEncanta 10y ago
    Economic data disagrees with your personal experience.
- nec4b 10y ago
  You mean the times when they were standing in line for toilet paper and bread or the times when millions of Ukrainians died from hunger.
  - IslaDeEncanta 10y ago
    Oh right, and the United States has never had poverty.
    - nec4b 10y ago
      Where have I said that?
- aikah 10y ago
  To be fair Russia was doing pretty well around 2005/2010 , so much that people from Europe were actually moving for work and investing heavily in Russia. The confrontation against US an Europe and oil prices tanking made the situation difficult again. But no one wants to go back to USSR, aside from a few nostalgic politicians.

usaphp 10y ago

Look at counties that did not declare war against free markets. Look at mexico, look at Haiti, or some other Caribbean countries, most of them are doing much worse than Cuba. Communism/socialism disease did not harm China that much ether. Embargo is what hurt Cuba

hal9000xp 10y ago
Haiti on the bottom of economy freedom rating [1] and corruption rating [2]. Haiti has huge anti-free market red tape and rampant corruption. It means that Haiti did declare a war against free markets. Free market economy is possible only in country with strong property rights, rule of law with no corruption, and no red tape. All countries which adopted these principles are rich and have very high standard of living. I think 99.999% of folks who like communism/socialism don't understand what free market capitalism IS. [1] http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking [2] http://www.transparency.org/cpi2015#results-table http://www.transparency.org/cpi2015#results-table
- wycx 10y ago
  *no red tape Those three words are where things get complicated. In a general sense red tape is the difference between a laissez faire economy and a free market economy, if you mean government regulation when you say red tape. Though by red tape you might also mean anti-competitve regulations implemented at the behest of a firm or sector of the economy. In that case it is still very important to acknowledge that free markets are not a natural state, and require regulation of some form to remain functional or even exist.
  - hal9000xp 10y ago
    By red-tape I mean anti-market/anti-business laws. I was born in Uzbekistan, I know how system works in such countries. You can't do business there without making bribes. Countries like Uzbekistan intentionally create such laws which is impossible to follow and stay in business. Red tape decrease competition, increase favouritism which leads to pro-government monopolies which keep control over big chunk of market. Free markets do require very strong laws but these laws should be: 1) In favour of strong property rights; 2) Equally friendly to new enterprises/small business/big business; 3) Lean, not over-complicated; Basically role of the government is to keep highly competitive economic enthronement without favouritism.
- usaphp 10y ago
  > "I think 99.999% of folks who like communism/socialism don't understand what free market capitalism IS." It's hard to build a free market when you have an embargo and a huge pressure from the outside world
GunboatDiplomat 10y ago
China was doing really really badly until Mao died and Deng took power and began implementing market reforms, bringing capitalism in.

aikah 10y ago

> As a Russian, who was born in USSR, I regret that CIA has failed to assassinate him 50 years ago. Your problem is thinking that covered operations make the world better. It obviously didn't work in Iran, Vietnam, Cambodia, Congo, Argentina, Venezuela, Colombia, Bolivia and many others countries. In fact it made the situation worse in most cases.

hal9000xp 10y ago
Because just topping dictator is not enough, you also have to manage coup and support right side (i.e. those who are in favour democracy, secularism and market economy). US sucks at finding and supporting right side. If US just assassinated Castro but did nothing else communist regime won't fall, it can even gain stronger support from masses. The coup should be well prepared and US should feel responsibility about what will happen after. Coup is definitely very difficult and complicated surgery.
- daptaq 10y ago
  >US sucks at finding and supporting right side. No, they do a perfect job at finding the right side. They always install, whatever is best for them, ie. American Corporations. The US does not care about human rights, it's all just used to legitimize their position. Capitalism has no conscious, it ONLY does what is most profitable, whatever it might be. What should they gain by having a democracy somewhere else? "Free Markets", is another topic. The US loves those, especially if their companies can expand their "market" or, even better, use the locals to produce under inhuman circumstances. Considering that, I believe the US is a "great" imperialist power, and really good at choosing their puppets. What a pity those "stupid cubans", didn't give the US a second chance to exploit them under a different puppet. It would have been a lot better.

IslaDeEncanta 10y ago

Russia still has not regained the standard of living that existed during the USSR.

Jenya_ 10y ago
I do not agree, oil wealth moved Russia miles ahead of 80s USSR experience (I see this first-hand).
- IslaDeEncanta 10y ago
  Economic data disagrees with your personal experience.
nec4b 10y ago
You mean the times when they were standing in line for toilet paper and bread or the times when millions of Ukrainians died from hunger.
- IslaDeEncanta 10y ago
  Oh right, and the United States has never had poverty.
  - nec4b 10y ago
    Where have I said that?
aikah 10y ago
To be fair Russia was doing pretty well around 2005/2010 , so much that people from Europe were actually moving for work and investing heavily in Russia. The confrontation against US an Europe and oil prices tanking made the situation difficult again. But no one wants to go back to USSR, aside from a few nostalgic politicians.