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Well, if we're going to simplistically blame just one thing and blame the premise of jobs, why not blame the premise that everyone has a right to propagate, or

by cmurf 10y ago

Well, if we're going to simplistically blame just one thing and blame the premise of jobs, why not blame the premise that everyone has a right to propagate, or do so as many times as they want? Obviously it's less provocative to say fuck work than fuck children; or jobs are the problem than too many humans are the problem. But if there aren't enough jobs to go around, part of that is because there are so many people.

sqldba 10y ago
Agreed. Why stop there though? How come some people hoard and/or inherit millions or billions? Has one Bill Gates really done the work of 40,000 people worth a million each?
- cmurf 10y ago
  Certainly. That kind of disproportionate wealth comes via exploitation though, not only hoarding and inheritance. Is there even enough wealth to go around? If the total wealth is $233 trillion, and there are 7 billion people, each person gets $33286. If we were to just wealth redistribute, does that actually solve the problem under discussion? I don't know whether it does. For a huge amount of earth's population it's the value of more than a lifetime of work. And could it be true that there's a big fat bubble everywhere else where that same amount of money doesn't even get you by for a year, or in the richest cities in the U.S. not even 6 months? What happens if the veil of ignorance applied to resource allocation were simply reset, globally? Probably a lot of fraud, exploitation, and murder, to take that share from others to enrich a few. I think we like to pretend we're civilized. The language we use now isn't even describing the problem fairly or accurately.
- mdpopescu 10y ago
  At the very least. I am old enough to remember when he said he wanted a computer on every desktop. It was an insane thing to say. 40,000 millionaires didn't try to accomplish that.
- witty_username 10y ago
  Yes, he created a big company, Microsoft, and a dominant (by marketshare) OS, Windows.
witty_username 10y ago
No, more people means more employees and customers.

by cmurf 10y ago

sqldba 10y ago

Agreed. Why stop there though? How come some people hoard and/or inherit millions or billions? Has one Bill Gates really done the work of 40,000 people worth a million each?

cmurf 10y ago
Certainly. That kind of disproportionate wealth comes via exploitation though, not only hoarding and inheritance. Is there even enough wealth to go around? If the total wealth is $233 trillion, and there are 7 billion people, each person gets $33286. If we were to just wealth redistribute, does that actually solve the problem under discussion? I don't know whether it does. For a huge amount of earth's population it's the value of more than a lifetime of work. And could it be true that there's a big fat bubble everywhere else where that same amount of money doesn't even get you by for a year, or in the richest cities in the U.S. not even 6 months? What happens if the veil of ignorance applied to resource allocation were simply reset, globally? Probably a lot of fraud, exploitation, and murder, to take that share from others to enrich a few. I think we like to pretend we're civilized. The language we use now isn't even describing the problem fairly or accurately.
mdpopescu 10y ago
At the very least. I am old enough to remember when he said he wanted a computer on every desktop. It was an insane thing to say. 40,000 millionaires didn't try to accomplish that.
witty_username 10y ago
Yes, he created a big company, Microsoft, and a dominant (by marketshare) OS, Windows.

witty_username 10y ago

No, more people means more employees and customers.