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My problem with "therapy" is that the word is woefully undefined. Sticking an ice pick up a person's nose, into their brain, and just moving the pick around ha

My problem with "therapy" is that the word is woefully undefined. Sticking an ice pick up a person's nose, into their brain, and just moving the pick around has been counted as therapy.

dom0 10y ago
Wasn't that done through the eye socket?
echlebek 10y ago
They're talking cognitive behavioural therapy.
- deleted 10y ago
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freehunter 10y ago
Yeah and leeches used to be called "medicine" but if you shy away from doctors because of what the profession practiced in the past (things that are illegal now) you're not exactly doing yourself any favors. Therapy these days does not mean lobotomies.
- jsprogrammer 10y ago
  Ok, so therapy has moved from lobotomies to... As I said, therapy seems to be devoid of any real definition.
  - digler999 10y ago
    psychotherapy is a form of treatment for many psychological disorders as defined by the DSM-V. The treatment varies based on the therapist's style and patient preference, but it always centers around talking to a licensed professional about the patient's feelings, behaviors, thoughts, dreams, fears. Through talking, the therapist can spot patterns of harmful and destructive beliefs and thought patterns. To use a bit of jargon, they can deconstruct a patient's defenses and suggest changes in thoughts/actions that - if followed - may often alleviate some or all of the symptoms. Perhaps the thing that bothers you is that it's an inexact science ?
    - atsaloli 10y ago
      BTW, NIMH has turned away from the DSM due to "lack of validity ". https://www.nimh.nih.gov/about/directors/thomas-insel/blog/2013/transforming-diagnosis.shtml https://www.nimh.nih.gov/about/directors/thomas-insel/blog/2... If it's that inexact, I wouldn't call it science. There's presently no standard objective laboratory test for Anxiety, Depression, or similar.
      - digler999 10y ago
        > There's presently no standard objective laboratory test I don't know what's so special about a "laboratory". Is there a name yet for this fallacy "because a machine told me, it must be true." ? Should we name it the "calculator fallacy" or the "internet fallacy" ? from your link: "That is why NIMH will be re-orienting its research away from DSM categories." Its research, it doesn't do any good to toss DSM for treatment of mental disorders. I believe thats why they revise the DSM every year (?), is to keep up with changes in diagnosis. If a new classification system comes along, then replace "DSM" with whatever they call theirs.
        jsprogrammer 10y ago
        As astaloli said, the DSM is not valid. If changes in diagnoses are changing yearly...the NIMH seems completely correct in rejecting the book.
        digler999 10y ago
        > the DSM is not valid. that makes treatment easy then. POOF! all mental illness disappears because the book is "invalid". FYI you're using a defense called denial[1] when you do that :) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial
        atsaloli 10y ago
        We do actually need valid treatment.

My problem with "therapy" is that the word is woefully undefined. Sticking an ice pick up a person's nose, into their brain, and just moving the pick around has been counted as therapy.

dom0 10y ago

Wasn't that done through the eye socket?

echlebek 10y ago

They're talking cognitive behavioural therapy.

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freehunter 10y ago

Yeah and leeches used to be called "medicine" but if you shy away from doctors because of what the profession practiced in the past (things that are illegal now) you're not exactly doing yourself any favors. Therapy these days does not mean lobotomies.

jsprogrammer 10y ago
Ok, so therapy has moved from lobotomies to... As I said, therapy seems to be devoid of any real definition.
- digler999 10y ago
  psychotherapy is a form of treatment for many psychological disorders as defined by the DSM-V. The treatment varies based on the therapist's style and patient preference, but it always centers around talking to a licensed professional about the patient's feelings, behaviors, thoughts, dreams, fears. Through talking, the therapist can spot patterns of harmful and destructive beliefs and thought patterns. To use a bit of jargon, they can deconstruct a patient's defenses and suggest changes in thoughts/actions that - if followed - may often alleviate some or all of the symptoms. Perhaps the thing that bothers you is that it's an inexact science ?
  - atsaloli 10y ago
    BTW, NIMH has turned away from the DSM due to "lack of validity ". https://www.nimh.nih.gov/about/directors/thomas-insel/blog/2013/transforming-diagnosis.shtml https://www.nimh.nih.gov/about/directors/thomas-insel/blog/2... If it's that inexact, I wouldn't call it science. There's presently no standard objective laboratory test for Anxiety, Depression, or similar.
    - digler999 10y ago
      > There's presently no standard objective laboratory test I don't know what's so special about a "laboratory". Is there a name yet for this fallacy "because a machine told me, it must be true." ? Should we name it the "calculator fallacy" or the "internet fallacy" ? from your link: "That is why NIMH will be re-orienting its research away from DSM categories." Its research, it doesn't do any good to toss DSM for treatment of mental disorders. I believe thats why they revise the DSM every year (?), is to keep up with changes in diagnosis. If a new classification system comes along, then replace "DSM" with whatever they call theirs.
      - jsprogrammer 10y ago
        As astaloli said, the DSM is not valid. If changes in diagnoses are changing yearly...the NIMH seems completely correct in rejecting the book.
        digler999 10y ago
        > the DSM is not valid. that makes treatment easy then. POOF! all mental illness disappears because the book is "invalid". FYI you're using a defense called denial[1] when you do that :) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial
        atsaloli 10y ago
        We do actually need valid treatment.