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Ah, yes, those Trump supporters with their "untrue facts" in their heads. Discussions won't work. Re-education camp is probably called for. Or maybe... just ma

Ah, yes, those Trump supporters with their "untrue facts" in their heads. Discussions won't work. Re-education camp is probably called for. Or maybe... just maybe... you're the one with untrue facts in your head, and his true facts collide with your untrue ones? Unpossible!

SomeStupidPoint 10y ago
I don't think the GP meant a one-sided generalization at all, and your comment reads as a needless partisan dig. The charitable way to read the comment is that a particular person he talked to was unconcerned by facts, and that this is a common problem with heated/divisive discussions. (This jives with my experience that most people don't care what's true, they just want to make socially approved noises.)
Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
Gave you an upvote to help you out of the grey. You didn't state it so eloquently but it's an important point: e40 is making the ridiculous assumption that those who hold a different opinion from him do so for uneducated and unconcievable reasons. He's exactly the sort of person who needs to make this phone call. I hope that comment doesn't stay on top for too long.
intended 10y ago
Missed the point entirely. It doesn't matter if it's trump. Or Hillary. Or global warming or vaccines or JS or Modi or Putin or any number of things. Most human beings don't tend to change their opinions when directly engaging in discussions. The only people who change their positions are people actively trying to change their views. The real trick to changing an opinions is to stop trying and start listening. That's anathema to most people.
- slededit 10y ago
  Wouldn't calling into a service explicitly advertised as a way to talk to someone who disagrees self select people more open to discussion?
  - vidarh 10y ago
    "Open to discussion" doesn't mean they'll be more amenable to change their views.
e40 10y ago
Yeah, sure, that's possible. You don't know me. I presume you've seen countless interviews with Trump supporters, like I have, where they are given objective truths ("you know Trump said X" for which there is an unedited video of him saying X) and still don't believe them? Because if I held a belief and someone showed me a video like that, I'd question my belief.

SomeStupidPoint 10y ago

I don't think the GP meant a one-sided generalization at all, and your comment reads as a needless partisan dig. The charitable way to read the comment is that a particular person he talked to was unconcerned by facts, and that this is a common problem with heated/divisive discussions. (This jives with my experience that most people don't care what's true, they just want to make socially approved noises.)

Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago

Gave you an upvote to help you out of the grey. You didn't state it so eloquently but it's an important point: e40 is making the ridiculous assumption that those who hold a different opinion from him do so for uneducated and unconcievable reasons. He's exactly the sort of person who needs to make this phone call. I hope that comment doesn't stay on top for too long.

intended 10y ago

Missed the point entirely. It doesn't matter if it's trump. Or Hillary. Or global warming or vaccines or JS or Modi or Putin or any number of things. Most human beings don't tend to change their opinions when directly engaging in discussions. The only people who change their positions are people actively trying to change their views. The real trick to changing an opinions is to stop trying and start listening. That's anathema to most people.

slededit 10y ago
Wouldn't calling into a service explicitly advertised as a way to talk to someone who disagrees self select people more open to discussion?
- vidarh 10y ago
  "Open to discussion" doesn't mean they'll be more amenable to change their views.

e40 10y ago

Yeah, sure, that's possible. You don't know me. I presume you've seen countless interviews with Trump supporters, like I have, where they are given objective truths ("you know Trump said X" for which there is an unedited video of him saying X) and still don't believe them? Because if I held a belief and someone showed me a video like that, I'd question my belief.