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You have every right to take this position, and if you feel strongly have no obligation to stay. What I cannot understand is the next step of proposing to close

by saboot 10y ago

You have every right to take this position, and if you feel strongly have no obligation to stay. What I cannot understand is the next step of proposing to close the entire subreddit. Don't want to moderate it anymore? Then don't. A subreddit is made up of it's users, not just the moderators.

iainmerrick 10y ago
It was just an overreaction (and a pretty understandable one) because he is so pissed off at Reddit.
- blitzd 10y ago
  ...funny, that's basically the same thing Spez said about what he did.
  - notheguyouthink 10y ago
    Well, except Spez actually did it. Brad asked for feedback/proposed doing it.
bradfitz 10y ago
The background is that we have some official spaces and some unofficial spaces. I thought our subreddit was an official space that we created. It turns out we didn't create it, so it's not ours to delete. I'm now proposing we just make it unofficial.
- Avshalom 10y ago
  >>It turns out we didn't create it No shit. https://imgur.com/a/K2cWx https://imgur.com/a/K2cWx
  - bradfitz 10y ago
    Yes, that's what I learned too. That was before my time.
    - canttestthis 10y ago
      Did you learn it by scrolling down on the front page and looking at the text below the list of moderators? I sincerely hope you aren't trusted to run a public community ever again if your first reaction is to start an off-site proposal to shut a community down.
      - evanws 10y ago
        Dude, calm down. That's why he didn't just do it without getting input from others. You can't reasonably expect someone to never have gaps in their knowledge.
        Mithaldu 10y ago
        > That's why he didn't just do it Even if he tried he couldn't have done it. :v
  - weinzierl 10y ago
    Uriel did. Unfortunately we can't ask him about his opinion anymore.
- dom96 10y ago
  Even if you did create it initially I don't think that deletion would be a good course of action here.
- pikzen 10y ago
  So the only thing holding you back from deleting a subreddit with tons of information, 25.000 subscribed users and what looks like a rather active and healthy discussion isn't that it would be a dick move to both golang in general and the community, but that you're not actually the owner. Could you get any more childish?
  - SomeStupidPoint 10y ago
    Not attaching your brand to poor service is also part of managing a community. If AWS started MITMing client HTTP connections and injecting code, would you be surprised people moved their official websites off the platform, even if a lot of people knew the old IP address? That's not childish, that's not doing business with bad partners, and Im not convinced a space that started as official could ever truly be made "non-official".
    - pikzen 10y ago
      What I mean is that the subreddit doesn't belong to bradfitz, or Google, or the golang creators. It has never started as official because the creator was /u/uriel. The Google guys may have joined after, but the fact is that it is not their community. They're not even paying a single dime for it. If AWS started MITMing my connections, absolutely, I would drop it. But the analogy doesn't hold because /r/golang isn't bradfitz's subreddit. The proper and only response would be to drop moderatorship, leaving in a thread his reasons, and leaving /r/golang as it is. As it stands, the only thing stopping him from doing that is that the he's not the original owner. And, you could also argue that when a community reaches a certain size, it doesn't belong to you anymore. It belongs to that community. To delete it is petty and childish.
    - tehwebguy 10y ago
      The reddit CEO played a prank. Google actively helps China censor dissent.
      - umanwizard 10y ago
        They do? How? Google was still blocked in China last time I was there afaik.

by saboot 10y ago

iainmerrick 10y ago

It was just an overreaction (and a pretty understandable one) because he is so pissed off at Reddit.

blitzd 10y ago
...funny, that's basically the same thing Spez said about what he did.
- notheguyouthink 10y ago
  Well, except Spez actually did it. Brad asked for feedback/proposed doing it.

bradfitz 10y ago

The background is that we have some official spaces and some unofficial spaces. I thought our subreddit was an official space that we created. It turns out we didn't create it, so it's not ours to delete. I'm now proposing we just make it unofficial.

Avshalom 10y ago
>>It turns out we didn't create it No shit. https://imgur.com/a/K2cWx https://imgur.com/a/K2cWx
- bradfitz 10y ago
  Yes, that's what I learned too. That was before my time.
  - canttestthis 10y ago
    Did you learn it by scrolling down on the front page and looking at the text below the list of moderators? I sincerely hope you aren't trusted to run a public community ever again if your first reaction is to start an off-site proposal to shut a community down.
    - evanws 10y ago
      Dude, calm down. That's why he didn't just do it without getting input from others. You can't reasonably expect someone to never have gaps in their knowledge.
      - Mithaldu 10y ago
        > That's why he didn't just do it Even if he tried he couldn't have done it. :v
- weinzierl 10y ago
  Uriel did. Unfortunately we can't ask him about his opinion anymore.
dom96 10y ago
Even if you did create it initially I don't think that deletion would be a good course of action here.
pikzen 10y ago
So the only thing holding you back from deleting a subreddit with tons of information, 25.000 subscribed users and what looks like a rather active and healthy discussion isn't that it would be a dick move to both golang in general and the community, but that you're not actually the owner. Could you get any more childish?
- SomeStupidPoint 10y ago
  Not attaching your brand to poor service is also part of managing a community. If AWS started MITMing client HTTP connections and injecting code, would you be surprised people moved their official websites off the platform, even if a lot of people knew the old IP address? That's not childish, that's not doing business with bad partners, and Im not convinced a space that started as official could ever truly be made "non-official".
  - pikzen 10y ago
    What I mean is that the subreddit doesn't belong to bradfitz, or Google, or the golang creators. It has never started as official because the creator was /u/uriel. The Google guys may have joined after, but the fact is that it is not their community. They're not even paying a single dime for it. If AWS started MITMing my connections, absolutely, I would drop it. But the analogy doesn't hold because /r/golang isn't bradfitz's subreddit. The proper and only response would be to drop moderatorship, leaving in a thread his reasons, and leaving /r/golang as it is. As it stands, the only thing stopping him from doing that is that the he's not the original owner. And, you could also argue that when a community reaches a certain size, it doesn't belong to you anymore. It belongs to that community. To delete it is petty and childish.
  - tehwebguy 10y ago
    The reddit CEO played a prank. Google actively helps China censor dissent.
    - umanwizard 10y ago
      They do? How? Google was still blocked in China last time I was there afaik.