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I think you're spot on. A classic example of this: The Jews didn't have anything to hide and lived in the open for many years prior to Hitler's rise to power..
by balabaster 10y ago
I think you're spot on. A classic example of this:
The Jews didn't have anything to hide and lived in the open for many years prior to Hitler's rise to power... and then suddenly their innocent life was exactly what condemned them to their deaths...
So yeah, everyone has a responsibility to ensure their privacy. 99.9% of people aren't terrorists. Terrorists cause less death every year than heart disease. Why should the 99.9% of people give up privacy to fight a war caused only because of the "West"'s inability to negotiate fairly for access to foreign resources? Instead of raping and plundering other countries, installing puppet Governments and causing people to act with "an eye for an eye" or "I will rain what you rain down on us a thousandfold over."
It's a band-aid solution to a symptom of the underlying cancer that needs to be cured. They're using the war on terror as a land grab for more power and control. Realistically there should be no war on terror, for terrorism is only "an eye for an eye." If you want to stop it, someone has to be the bigger man and say "You know what, we're not doing this any more. This behaviour is bullshit and it ends now."
If you want peace, you've gotta live peacefully. You don't spread peace with bombs, guns, violence and invading everyone's privacy to maintain control. You spread peace and trust with acts of love and kindness.
- pvg 10y agoThe Jews didn't have anything to hide and lived in the open for many years prior to Hitler's rise to power. This is neither true nor a classic example of the dangers of mass surveillance.
- dijit 10y agoWhat makes you think it isn't true? The Nazi's used census data of occupied territories to ascertain who to deport.
- pvg 10y agoIf you redefine everything as mass surveillance then yes, everything is a consequence of mass surveillance.
- balabaster 10y agoWhat is a census if it's not a form of mass surveillance? It's mandatory, you get in trouble for not doing it and it's a legal document, thus you can get in trouble for not filling it out properly. How is that redefining anything? That is in itself mass surveillance... albeit manual and participatory mass surveillance, but still mass surveillance nevertheless.
- omurphyevans 10y agoThere's a more specific example of this - in the Netherlands for years before 1939 they had a wide ranging census and an excellent civil service. On that census was an option for religion. The Nazi's took the census records and then used the excellent civil service to deport the overwhelming majority of Jews to the camps. The Netherlands had some of the lowest rates of survival of Jews amongst occupied territories. The Nazi's knew who they were, and where to find them. Who knows what piece of information could be used to hound you to your death, years after you divulge it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Netherlands#The_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Net...
- tripzilch 10y agoAnd now we track almost everything about everyone, .. except for religion. It's almost funny how we managed to learn the absolute minimum of that lesson :-/