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How about the simulationist argument? Atheist: 1) There is no god. 2) That means no supernatural woo, ghosts spirits, souls etc. 3) So everything you are co
by noonespecial 10y ago
How about the simulationist argument?
Atheist:
1) There is no god.
2) That means no supernatural woo, ghosts spirits, souls etc.
3) So everything you are comes from natural process happing in your brain.
4) This means that there is probably no fundamental reason the same processes couldn't be run in a computer. It might even be easy since it takes only a few watts in a few cubic inches and is duplicated billions of times by nature.
5) If it can be done it probably will be given time.
6) There can only be one "real" reality but an unlimited number of potential simulated realities.
7) So the overwhelming likelihood is that this reality is one of those simulations. A created thing. By something/someone greater.
Theist:
- davelnewton 10y agoBig freakin' leap between 1-6 and 7. Nothing at all suggests it's an "overwhelming likelihood", and it begs the question of our creator's creation. Occam's razor: it's not simpler to believe we're a simulation created by something else who's asking the same question.
- noonespecial 10y agoOh I definitely agree it's not very satisfying from the "why is there something and not nothing" perspective. But the creator's creator is irrelevant at the first layer. There would be no way at all to reach or experience the "god" at the next layer up. Op wanted someone in the office of "god". Simulationism gives you one without too much existential overhead.
- davelnewton 10y agoI don't see the "simulation" argument as anything else than a "god of the gaps" substitution at this point. The "creator's creator" may be "irrelevant" at the first layer, but again, it just begs the question. Let's say we discover that we are in a simulation. Now we have to ask who made the simulation (our creator(s)), and we're right back where we started from again. It's just another layer over the exact same question.
- noonespecial 10y agoI fully concede this point until I creat a sim of my own and look in to find my creatures having the same argument. Then I'll try to stop thinking so much!
- davelnewton 10y agoHOW DO WE KNOW YOU DIDN'T CREATE THIS ONE
- noonespecial 10y ago:) It was homework in cosmology class. Given one Davelnewton, create a minimum viable universe around him. You figured it out already!? Looks like I'm gettin another D-. Sheesh. At this rate I'm never gonna graduate and get my G.O.D.
- davelnewton 10y agoIf this is viable I'd hate to see a crappy one. Clearly you were running on fumes when you created my friend NPCs.