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How about try not to assume malice out of people's free software from the very first thing they did that you don't agree with? Its open source. Why not open an

by hdra 10y ago

How about try not to assume malice out of people's free software from the very first thing they did that you don't agree with? Its open source. Why not open an issue, contribute a patch to make the process opt-in, start a discussion, start a fork? Oh, of course, why would we do that when we can attack the maintainers, call their software a spyware, and threaten to sue instead? While we're at it, let's use words like "spyware" and "stealing" to paint them in an even worse light. I, for one, loves the homebrew project, and I don't want the maintainers to burn out. There isn't much that I can contribute to the project, but calling out this kind of behaviour is the least I could do, and thats exactly what I'll do.

Chris2048 10y ago
> Why not open an issue The maintainer already stated it's not a bug, plus the nature of the message implies opt-out was a design choice. > of course, why would we do Why start a fork before "attacking" the maintainer? Are you suggesting we need to audit every code base we use? As reasonable as checking every box of morning cereal for glass shards. The software is spyware. Words like "spyware" and "stealing" are correct, I don't care how it paints the maintainer to describe the situation accurately, they created that situation. > calling out this kind of behaviour is the least I could do by "calling out this kind of behaviour" you attacking critics with poor arguments? That's not support, its fan-boyism.
- hdra 10y ago
  > The software is spyware. Words like "spyware" and "stealing" are correct, I don't care how it paints the maintainer to describe the situation accurately, they created that situation. No, that is not "correct". The aren't even tracking their user, they are tracking the use of their software. Your use of the words are manipulative and dishonest. > by "calling out this kind of behaviour" you attacking critics with poor arguments? That's not support, its fan-boyism. None of the things I called out are "critics". Legal threats because they live in a place that makes them a "good target"? Calling the software a "spyware" because they collect usage data? That is not critic. That is bullying. If the people doing those things think the I'm a fanboy for calling them out, since clearly logic matters little to them anyway.
  - Chris2048 10y ago
    spyware : "software that enables a user to obtain covert information about another's computer activities by transmitting data covertly from their hard drive." Nothing there mentions user tracking. If I don't know information about my computer is being transmitted, it's spyware. > Legal threats I didn't comment on this because I didn't say that. > That is bullying. I disagree. It is accurate, not disproportionate. Plus you misrepresent my opinion; it is not because "they collect usage data", but because "they collect usage data without your permission"; hence spyware. > If the people doing those things think the I'm a fanboy for calling them out, since clearly logic matters little to them anyway. In order to "call someone out" you need to argue the case, so bit early to bring out the ad-homs. I'm calling you a fanboy because you suggested defending the author is your 'contribution' to his project, which biases your perspective.

by hdra 10y ago

Chris2048 10y ago

> Why not open an issue The maintainer already stated it's not a bug, plus the nature of the message implies opt-out was a design choice. > of course, why would we do Why start a fork before "attacking" the maintainer? Are you suggesting we need to audit every code base we use? As reasonable as checking every box of morning cereal for glass shards. The software is spyware. Words like "spyware" and "stealing" are correct, I don't care how it paints the maintainer to describe the situation accurately, they created that situation. > calling out this kind of behaviour is the least I could do by "calling out this kind of behaviour" you attacking critics with poor arguments? That's not support, its fan-boyism.

hdra 10y ago
> The software is spyware. Words like "spyware" and "stealing" are correct, I don't care how it paints the maintainer to describe the situation accurately, they created that situation. No, that is not "correct". The aren't even tracking their user, they are tracking the use of their software. Your use of the words are manipulative and dishonest. > by "calling out this kind of behaviour" you attacking critics with poor arguments? That's not support, its fan-boyism. None of the things I called out are "critics". Legal threats because they live in a place that makes them a "good target"? Calling the software a "spyware" because they collect usage data? That is not critic. That is bullying. If the people doing those things think the I'm a fanboy for calling them out, since clearly logic matters little to them anyway.
- Chris2048 10y ago
  spyware : "software that enables a user to obtain covert information about another's computer activities by transmitting data covertly from their hard drive." Nothing there mentions user tracking. If I don't know information about my computer is being transmitted, it's spyware. > Legal threats I didn't comment on this because I didn't say that. > That is bullying. I disagree. It is accurate, not disproportionate. Plus you misrepresent my opinion; it is not because "they collect usage data", but because "they collect usage data without your permission"; hence spyware. > If the people doing those things think the I'm a fanboy for calling them out, since clearly logic matters little to them anyway. In order to "call someone out" you need to argue the case, so bit early to bring out the ad-homs. I'm calling you a fanboy because you suggested defending the author is your 'contribution' to his project, which biases your perspective.