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Petition Repeal the new Surveillance laws (Investigatory Powers Act) A bill allowing UK intelligence agencies and police unprecedented levels of power regardin

by akerro 10y ago

Petition Repeal the new Surveillance laws (Investigatory Powers Act) A bill allowing UK intelligence agencies and police unprecedented levels of power regarding the surveillance of UK citizens has recently passed and is awaiting royal assent, making it law. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/173199 https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/173199

gambiting 10y ago
If I live in the UK, but I am not a citizen, can I sign this petition?
- longwave 10y ago
  UK residents can also sign, there is a checkbox on the form to confirm you are a citizen or resident.
ue_ 10y ago
Just signed it. Please do the same, any resident or citizen.
pmlnr 10y ago
Signed. Even though it seems like neither online, nor live petitions and demonstrations have any effect on European* governments these days. * geographically
- PJDK 10y ago
  The one I always come back to is the National Road Pricing Proposal a few years ago - a big petition (nearly 2 million) completely killed it. It does require a lot of people to get noticed though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_pricing_in_the_United_Kingdom#National_road_pricing_proposal_.282005-2007.29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_pricing_in_the_United_Kin...
- RegW 10y ago
  Then we keep kicking off serial petitions, until the ignoring of these petitions becomes a story and makes the news - and hopefully wakes everyone up. [edit: How many signatures does it take before the debate has to be followed by an action?]
setq 10y ago
Signed but I suspect this will be treated with as much contempt as other petitions have. I think the best way of handling this is to have a private code of ethics in the IT industry in the UK. If you are involved in any collection infrastructure, do like a government IT project, and make a complete fucking mess of it I.e. make it cost a fortune and bring bad publicity for any sponsors. Use O(n!) algorithms, use IO heavy storage patterns, piss all over cache lines, spend the entire budget having meetings in Wagamamas, write yourself a new minivan, overestimate everything and play solitaire.
- shocks 10y ago
  Contempt is the word. I emailed my local MP about this, highlighting how it put us all at risk and did nothing to stop "the bad guys". She ignored all my points and just said "we cannot let the terrorists and pedophiles communicate". edit: http://pastebin.com/THvjAvAL http://pastebin.com/THvjAvAL
  - dasboth 10y ago
    That's exactly the nuanced discussion I like to see from my elected representatives...
    - shocks 10y ago
      The exact quote is: > I do not believe that it is reasonable to allow terrorists, paedophiles and criminals to be able to use these same services out of sight to perpetrate criminal acts which harm UK citizens.
      - setq 10y ago
        Unsurprisingly they forgot politicians in the list of people who aren't qualified to hold secrets.
  - setq 10y ago
    Stick the reply on pastebin with a note explaining how it doesn't stop pedophiles and terrorists, explain how it protects incumbent pedophiles in the political class as per pizzagate, then post it on reddit, 4chan and to the opposition (actually forget the latter as they're just as bad). Time is up for this attitude.

by akerro 10y ago

gambiting 10y ago

If I live in the UK, but I am not a citizen, can I sign this petition?

longwave 10y ago
UK residents can also sign, there is a checkbox on the form to confirm you are a citizen or resident.

ue_ 10y ago

Just signed it. Please do the same, any resident or citizen.

pmlnr 10y ago

Signed. Even though it seems like neither online, nor live petitions and demonstrations have any effect on European* governments these days. * geographically

PJDK 10y ago
The one I always come back to is the National Road Pricing Proposal a few years ago - a big petition (nearly 2 million) completely killed it. It does require a lot of people to get noticed though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_pricing_in_the_United_Kingdom#National_road_pricing_proposal_.282005-2007.29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_pricing_in_the_United_Kin...
RegW 10y ago
Then we keep kicking off serial petitions, until the ignoring of these petitions becomes a story and makes the news - and hopefully wakes everyone up. [edit: How many signatures does it take before the debate has to be followed by an action?]

setq 10y ago

Signed but I suspect this will be treated with as much contempt as other petitions have. I think the best way of handling this is to have a private code of ethics in the IT industry in the UK. If you are involved in any collection infrastructure, do like a government IT project, and make a complete fucking mess of it I.e. make it cost a fortune and bring bad publicity for any sponsors. Use O(n!) algorithms, use IO heavy storage patterns, piss all over cache lines, spend the entire budget having meetings in Wagamamas, write yourself a new minivan, overestimate everything and play solitaire.

shocks 10y ago
Contempt is the word. I emailed my local MP about this, highlighting how it put us all at risk and did nothing to stop "the bad guys". She ignored all my points and just said "we cannot let the terrorists and pedophiles communicate". edit: http://pastebin.com/THvjAvAL http://pastebin.com/THvjAvAL
- dasboth 10y ago
  That's exactly the nuanced discussion I like to see from my elected representatives...
  - shocks 10y ago
    The exact quote is: > I do not believe that it is reasonable to allow terrorists, paedophiles and criminals to be able to use these same services out of sight to perpetrate criminal acts which harm UK citizens.
    - setq 10y ago
      Unsurprisingly they forgot politicians in the list of people who aren't qualified to hold secrets.
- setq 10y ago
  Stick the reply on pastebin with a note explaining how it doesn't stop pedophiles and terrorists, explain how it protects incumbent pedophiles in the political class as per pizzagate, then post it on reddit, 4chan and to the opposition (actually forget the latter as they're just as bad). Time is up for this attitude.