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By your definition, there would be no such thing as stealing IP, PII, launch codes or identities. However, those things are well accepted terms in all industrie

by hueving 10y ago

By your definition, there would be no such thing as stealing IP, PII, launch codes or identities. However, those things are well accepted terms in all industries, including tech. You need to reconsider your strange restriction to mutual exclusion if you ever want to engage in meaningful conversations.

andybak 10y ago
> stealing IP This is the usage I'm most firmly resisting. > PII, launch codes or identities All inaccurate to varying degrees - or at the very least metaphorical/rhetorical uses. If you're allowed to push a meaning in one direction then I'm allowed to point it out and attempt to bend it back a little.
- hueving 10y ago
  >push a meaning in one direction then I'm allowed to point it out and attempt to bend it back a little. I'm not pushing anything. Your argument is about whether or not copying information is 'stealing'. I'm just pointing out that it's a very commonly agreed upon vernacular all over many industries. Call your credit card company and tell them someone stole your credit card number and see if they understand what you are talking about and/or try to correct you by saying it was merely copied. Go ahead and try to change the definition, but don't waste time on HN with that crap when the subject isn't even about whether or not it's "stealing" because it makes for boring conversation.
  - andybak 10y ago
    You don't see anything even slightly problematic about referring to opt-out (rather than opt-in) aggregate and presumably anonymous usage statistics as 'stealing'? You don't think that is possibly somewhere towards the further reaches of consensus on what is a reasonable application of the word? You're welcome to disagree with my position but you're going a touch further than that. You're also accusing me of arguing in bad faith and being somehow aware that my argument has no merits. Considering I think I'm stating a fairly reasonable view I find that somewhat disingenuous in return.
    - andybak 10y ago
      I think you've tired of me but I want to finish with one last thought: "Choose your battles wisely" - this might not be the best place to make our last stand. There's a danger of tiring out potential allies before the point things really matter.

by hueving 10y ago

andybak 10y ago

> stealing IP This is the usage I'm most firmly resisting. > PII, launch codes or identities All inaccurate to varying degrees - or at the very least metaphorical/rhetorical uses. If you're allowed to push a meaning in one direction then I'm allowed to point it out and attempt to bend it back a little.

hueving 10y ago
>push a meaning in one direction then I'm allowed to point it out and attempt to bend it back a little. I'm not pushing anything. Your argument is about whether or not copying information is 'stealing'. I'm just pointing out that it's a very commonly agreed upon vernacular all over many industries. Call your credit card company and tell them someone stole your credit card number and see if they understand what you are talking about and/or try to correct you by saying it was merely copied. Go ahead and try to change the definition, but don't waste time on HN with that crap when the subject isn't even about whether or not it's "stealing" because it makes for boring conversation.
- andybak 10y ago
  You don't see anything even slightly problematic about referring to opt-out (rather than opt-in) aggregate and presumably anonymous usage statistics as 'stealing'? You don't think that is possibly somewhere towards the further reaches of consensus on what is a reasonable application of the word? You're welcome to disagree with my position but you're going a touch further than that. You're also accusing me of arguing in bad faith and being somehow aware that my argument has no merits. Considering I think I'm stating a fairly reasonable view I find that somewhat disingenuous in return.
  - andybak 10y ago
    I think you've tired of me but I want to finish with one last thought: "Choose your battles wisely" - this might not be the best place to make our last stand. There's a danger of tiring out potential allies before the point things really matter.