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We need a full fledged OS for the mobile, despite the fact that Steve Jobs created iOS so that phone softwares won't be "baby software" we are still not seeing

We need a full fledged OS for the mobile, despite the fact that Steve Jobs created iOS so that phone softwares won't be "baby software" we are still not seeing many apps which are mobile centered, they build the webapp first and as an after thought the mobile app comes into place. I want my phone OS and my laptop OS to be in sync, I want to program using my phone and many many more features. But both iOS and Android lock us out of the real stuff by making locking things up. Just imagine how the computing landscape would have been if Linux wasn't open and as locked up as the "FOSS" android. We'd be still using and cursing Windows3.4

icantdrive55 10y ago
1. " I want to program using my phone and many many more features." Yes--and yes! I actually don't have an activated smart phone. Partially, it's the monthly data cost--that just irks me. I think there's collusion going on. But a bigger part of me is I don't want to get used to just receiving information. I want to work on that little device. I want to build. 2. I want to see data costs go down. I would like to see more companies combining wifi, with cell signals. Someting along the line of what Republic Wireless is trying to pull off. Actually, I might just sign up for Republic wireless tomorrow. I think any smart phone that radically brings down monthly costs will be huge. Those $50 monthly phone bills are rediculious, at this point in the game.
icebraining 10y ago
If you want to program using your phone, here's a C/C++ IDE and compiler, which doesn't even require root: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.n0n3m4.droidc&hl=en https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.n0n3m4.dro... There are also interpreters for many languages, various tooling and even full-blown ports of GNU/Linux distros: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cuntubuntu&hl=en https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cuntubuntu... Frankly, people overstate the lockdown-ness of Android itself. Maybe your specific model was particularly locked down, but introducing a new OS won't solve that problem.
- thewhitetulip 10y ago
  I didn't say we need a new OS now, we need existing OSes to be a bit more open. Have you tried programming on an Android phone? I have, the experience is horrible. I used termux which is a full blown linux terminal. I installed python and wrote a few python script and later Go programs also. Wasn't able to get dependencies for Go programs because of root issue plus terrible experience with typing things on mobile. Maybe I didn't have the right tools. I want all my OSes to be able to talk to each other, when I write code on my phone, I should be able to transfer it to my machine. There is a new project which aims to do this, mobile OS and PC OS are the same in it.
  - icebraining 10y ago
    I've written code (mainly bug fixes) on my Android tablet just fine. Used a terminal with Vim, then used SGit to commit and push my code to Gitlab. I've also written Python scripts to use in Tasker. Yes, typing is a pain, but that's an ergonomics problems, not a lack of openness. I got a cheap BT keyboard, which works fine on Android. You can also use a plain USB keyboard with an OTG cable, though power might be an issue.
    - thewhitetulip 10y ago
      Yes, you are right on this one. I actually wanted my pone itself to be rooted. But then again, I'd be demanding too much. Also I want the mobile OSes to be root friendly, I know it goes against their corporate goals. Cyanogenmod is also as good as dead now.
      - icebraining 10y ago
        What's wrong with rooting stock Android? I've done it multiple times to my Nexus, works fine. Nowadays it's just a matter of plugging the device and clicking a few buttons on a GUI. Of course, there are devices which aren't as open as the Nexuses. But that's not a lack of openness by the OS.
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ENGNR 10y ago
Maybe if Apple didn't take 30% cut off SaaS revenue just for signing up on an app, people would go mobile first for serious applications

icantdrive55 10y ago

1. " I want to program using my phone and many many more features." Yes--and yes! I actually don't have an activated smart phone. Partially, it's the monthly data cost--that just irks me. I think there's collusion going on. But a bigger part of me is I don't want to get used to just receiving information. I want to work on that little device. I want to build. 2. I want to see data costs go down. I would like to see more companies combining wifi, with cell signals. Someting along the line of what Republic Wireless is trying to pull off. Actually, I might just sign up for Republic wireless tomorrow. I think any smart phone that radically brings down monthly costs will be huge. Those $50 monthly phone bills are rediculious, at this point in the game.

icebraining 10y ago

If you want to program using your phone, here's a C/C++ IDE and compiler, which doesn't even require root: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.n0n3m4.droidc&hl=en https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.n0n3m4.dro... There are also interpreters for many languages, various tooling and even full-blown ports of GNU/Linux distros: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cuntubuntu&hl=en https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cuntubuntu... Frankly, people overstate the lockdown-ness of Android itself. Maybe your specific model was particularly locked down, but introducing a new OS won't solve that problem.

thewhitetulip 10y ago
I didn't say we need a new OS now, we need existing OSes to be a bit more open. Have you tried programming on an Android phone? I have, the experience is horrible. I used termux which is a full blown linux terminal. I installed python and wrote a few python script and later Go programs also. Wasn't able to get dependencies for Go programs because of root issue plus terrible experience with typing things on mobile. Maybe I didn't have the right tools. I want all my OSes to be able to talk to each other, when I write code on my phone, I should be able to transfer it to my machine. There is a new project which aims to do this, mobile OS and PC OS are the same in it.
- icebraining 10y ago
  I've written code (mainly bug fixes) on my Android tablet just fine. Used a terminal with Vim, then used SGit to commit and push my code to Gitlab. I've also written Python scripts to use in Tasker. Yes, typing is a pain, but that's an ergonomics problems, not a lack of openness. I got a cheap BT keyboard, which works fine on Android. You can also use a plain USB keyboard with an OTG cable, though power might be an issue.
  - thewhitetulip 10y ago
    Yes, you are right on this one. I actually wanted my pone itself to be rooted. But then again, I'd be demanding too much. Also I want the mobile OSes to be root friendly, I know it goes against their corporate goals. Cyanogenmod is also as good as dead now.
    - icebraining 10y ago
      What's wrong with rooting stock Android? I've done it multiple times to my Nexus, works fine. Nowadays it's just a matter of plugging the device and clicking a few buttons on a GUI. Of course, there are devices which aren't as open as the Nexuses. But that's not a lack of openness by the OS.
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ENGNR 10y ago

Maybe if Apple didn't take 30% cut off SaaS revenue just for signing up on an app, people would go mobile first for serious applications