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I think that kind of nitpicking is exactly the thing he is trying to avoid. It may not look like it from the inside but the HN crowd is a very distinct, and ve

by tomc1985 10y ago

I think that kind of nitpicking is exactly the thing he is trying to avoid. It may not look like it from the inside but the HN crowd is a very distinct, and very opinionated, bubble in the wider world of CompSci and Engineering. It looks like a lot of this crowd seems to enthusiastically cheer things that are not worthy of cheering (like overly-complicated solutions to problems, innovations that are really just repackaged ideas from 20/30/40 years ago, blind faith in the cloud, etc). Now the HN crowd has its reasons -- things are the way they are because of team constrains and ever-present Business Decisions -- but I think a lot of the crowd has become very disconnected from the wider world of computers and engineering in their quest to churn out cloud businesses ad nauseam. There are entirely different communities rocking entirely different paradigms, and frankly they don't usually inflate the pace of change for innovations' sake.

lkrubner 10y ago
If you have something you'd like to criticize, you should do so with specifics. Criticism this vague does not add anything to the conversation: "It looks like a lot of this crowd seems to enthusiastically cheer things that are not worthy of cheering (like overly-complicated solutions to problems, innovations that are really just repackaged ideas from 20/30/40 years ago, blind faith in the cloud, etc)." I don't feel like getting into a debate with you, but "overly-complicated solutions" was a criticism that was often aimed at Enterprise solutions coming from Oracle, Microsoft, Sun, IBM, Hewlett-Packard and others. Remember Struts? Even Zope was guilty of this, at least until Zope 3. When HackerNews was getting going circa 2005, it was very much part of the rebellion against all that. The only specific that you offered was "blind faith in the cloud" and yet there have been several articles this month, critical of the cloud, that made it to the front page of HackerNews. So it seems you are either vague or wrong. I offer this simply as general advice which you might want to consider for the future.
- sp527 10y ago
  There's an almost Onion-esque level of irony in your reply having no sources for anything you said.

lkrubner 10y ago

If you have something you'd like to criticize, you should do so with specifics. Criticism this vague does not add anything to the conversation: "It looks like a lot of this crowd seems to enthusiastically cheer things that are not worthy of cheering (like overly-complicated solutions to problems, innovations that are really just repackaged ideas from 20/30/40 years ago, blind faith in the cloud, etc)." I don't feel like getting into a debate with you, but "overly-complicated solutions" was a criticism that was often aimed at Enterprise solutions coming from Oracle, Microsoft, Sun, IBM, Hewlett-Packard and others. Remember Struts? Even Zope was guilty of this, at least until Zope 3. When HackerNews was getting going circa 2005, it was very much part of the rebellion against all that. The only specific that you offered was "blind faith in the cloud" and yet there have been several articles this month, critical of the cloud, that made it to the front page of HackerNews. So it seems you are either vague or wrong. I offer this simply as general advice which you might want to consider for the future.

sp527 10y ago
There's an almost Onion-esque level of irony in your reply having no sources for anything you said.