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Maybe it's unpopular opinion here, but why short term rentals are bad? I personally love short term rentals, hotels suck compare to them. I hopped over asia and

Maybe it's unpopular opinion here, but why short term rentals are bad? I personally love short term rentals, hotels suck compare to them. I hopped over asia and europe with 4-10 days at one place at a time, using AirBnB and it was great. I want home-like experience when I travel, I don't want to stay in overpriced micro-rooms without kitchen where I can't even make a tea. Some people mentioned that condo inhabitants 'don't like living in a hotel', but what specifically is the problem? That many people are going in and out? I don't really know if it's the problem itself if those are decent people. And still most of the people would be full time If there are related issues, maybe it's best to address the issues (I don't know what they are though, nobody explained it)? Because AirBnb looks like a good platform to manage those issues, turn chaotic market into more sane and organized. I think best strategy would be for AirBnb and building-owners to work together, to keep asshollish visitors outside (they are the problem, not short term rentals itself), put more incentive for rent-givers to watch over who they rent appartment/house to, etc P.S. I never was on another side of the fence (i.e. living in the building with many short term rental visitors), so maybe I don't understand/underestimate something.

Symbiote 10y ago
Short term (especially weekend) tenants don't care about the neighbours or the building. They'll have noisy parties, not know where the bins are and leave rubbish in the hallways, and clatter their suitcase up or down the stairs at 4:30 to take a cheap flight home. > I think best strategy would be for AirBnb and building-owners to work together I'd like to see a way for building owners, or local government, to get a feed of every listing on AirBnB. They can then terminate leases, or whatever.
- aquadrop 10y ago
  > Short term (especially weekend) tenants don't care about the neighbours or the building. So probably the smaller period the higher rating/experience of the tenant. And of course fines for landlords. > I'd like to see a way for building owners, or local government, to get a feed of every listing on AirBnB. They can then terminate leases, or whatever. You propose AirBnB give out gun to shot AirBnB :) That's not what I meant, more like notifications who rented what, so building owners could report/fine right landlord later.
detaro 10y ago
I think most people don't mind occasional short term renters, but if it is run as a business, without the downsides of such a business (taxes, hotel regulations, zoning, clear responsibility for dealing with complaints...) it has a negative impact on the surrounding community. In some areas, a noticeable percentage of space is taken by AirBnBs, which a) means a lot of people staying in those areas (not necessarily bad, but generally something cities want to regulate) and b) flats are not available to local people. If my neighbor rents out his spare room or his entire flat while he is gone, I hopefully can talk to him if I have issues with his guests, and he has an interest that his flat with his personal stuff stays nice and safe. A larger operation with 5 or more flats is going to care a lot less about such concern and who exactly is staying there. (This likely also influences guest behavior) AirBnB helping to manage this would be nice, but it has shown no willingness to work with cities and neighbors to work towards enforcement of existing legislation, so it's not surprising that tolerance for violations goes down, courts get involved and further, targeted legislation gets created. If you want to look at data, the best set of actual numbers I've seen is this dataset about Berlin: http://airbnbvsberlin.com/ http://airbnbvsberlin.com/
- Kalium 10y ago
  Flats not being available to locals is a major concern, though. Housing shortages are a concern in a lot of major cities, including the one in which I live. Perhaps cities should consider the possibility of enabling markets to potentially develop additional housing. It shouldn't surprise anyone that an international business isn't enthusiastically embracing the notion of every city and neighborhood being a unique regulation snowflake. In business terms, it sounds like a complete nightmare.
  - detaro 10y ago
    It shouldn't surprise anyone that an international business isn't enthusiastically embracing the notion of every city and neighborhood being a unique regulation snowflake. Which is why one (=I, as someone without experience in the field admittedly) would think they'd have an interest in providing some standardized tools (like a free-text field for a tax ID for commercial operations, or a permit code) that local authorities can hook into, instead of dealing with one court forcing them to share data at a time. Many city administrations will happily do enforcement legwork if you give them a list to check, that's their daily business.

Symbiote 10y ago

Short term (especially weekend) tenants don't care about the neighbours or the building. They'll have noisy parties, not know where the bins are and leave rubbish in the hallways, and clatter their suitcase up or down the stairs at 4:30 to take a cheap flight home. > I think best strategy would be for AirBnb and building-owners to work together I'd like to see a way for building owners, or local government, to get a feed of every listing on AirBnB. They can then terminate leases, or whatever.

aquadrop 10y ago
> Short term (especially weekend) tenants don't care about the neighbours or the building. So probably the smaller period the higher rating/experience of the tenant. And of course fines for landlords. > I'd like to see a way for building owners, or local government, to get a feed of every listing on AirBnB. They can then terminate leases, or whatever. You propose AirBnB give out gun to shot AirBnB :) That's not what I meant, more like notifications who rented what, so building owners could report/fine right landlord later.

detaro 10y ago

I think most people don't mind occasional short term renters, but if it is run as a business, without the downsides of such a business (taxes, hotel regulations, zoning, clear responsibility for dealing with complaints...) it has a negative impact on the surrounding community. In some areas, a noticeable percentage of space is taken by AirBnBs, which a) means a lot of people staying in those areas (not necessarily bad, but generally something cities want to regulate) and b) flats are not available to local people. If my neighbor rents out his spare room or his entire flat while he is gone, I hopefully can talk to him if I have issues with his guests, and he has an interest that his flat with his personal stuff stays nice and safe. A larger operation with 5 or more flats is going to care a lot less about such concern and who exactly is staying there. (This likely also influences guest behavior) AirBnB helping to manage this would be nice, but it has shown no willingness to work with cities and neighbors to work towards enforcement of existing legislation, so it's not surprising that tolerance for violations goes down, courts get involved and further, targeted legislation gets created. If you want to look at data, the best set of actual numbers I've seen is this dataset about Berlin: http://airbnbvsberlin.com/ http://airbnbvsberlin.com/

Kalium 10y ago
Flats not being available to locals is a major concern, though. Housing shortages are a concern in a lot of major cities, including the one in which I live. Perhaps cities should consider the possibility of enabling markets to potentially develop additional housing. It shouldn't surprise anyone that an international business isn't enthusiastically embracing the notion of every city and neighborhood being a unique regulation snowflake. In business terms, it sounds like a complete nightmare.
- detaro 10y ago
  It shouldn't surprise anyone that an international business isn't enthusiastically embracing the notion of every city and neighborhood being a unique regulation snowflake. Which is why one (=I, as someone without experience in the field admittedly) would think they'd have an interest in providing some standardized tools (like a free-text field for a tax ID for commercial operations, or a permit code) that local authorities can hook into, instead of dealing with one court forcing them to share data at a time. Many city administrations will happily do enforcement legwork if you give them a list to check, that's their daily business.