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Do you consider yourself to be an empathic person, able to understand their needs? I sincerely hope not. The inability of tech-focused people like yourself to

by sgslo 10y ago

Do you consider yourself to be an empathic person, able to understand their needs? I sincerely hope not. The inability of tech-focused people like yourself to understand that the group of people really give a about the latest tools is astounding. While there are thousands of companies who want an open, modular system, there are tens of thousands more who could care less about what an 'API' is, what an 'integration' is, or getting fancy SAAS tool A to work with fancy SAAS tool B. These companies only care about how a tool can help them run a better business, and for that, they're going to look for a single solution that does everything they want. They absolutely will not be looking for 5 tools they can string together to make some Frankenstein 'solution'. And hat's off to them for that, the sooner they realize their business is not a special snowflake the better.

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dbg31415 10y ago
Through contracting, I've been exposed to just about every tool, and combination of tools out there over the last 20+ year as a project / product manager. Basecamp is cancer. There isn't a team around that wouldn't be better off on Asana, or GitHub + ZenHub, or Atlasssian, or Trello... or anything else. Would gladly dedicate 5 hours per week in training people on alternatives for free, if it meant I never had to go into a client's office who used Basecamp. The amount of busy work and slop and inefficiency it allows... I get people are blind to better options, but seriously spent a few hours researching and trying the tools. A stitch in time saves nine... measure twice, cut once... Please compare it to using other tools and see for yourself.
- danpalmer 10y ago
  It looks like Basecamp would fit really nicely into our product process, and I think we have a relatively good process. It might not be for everyone, but I don't think it's fair to rule it out for all give your personal experience.
- dasmoth 10y ago
  >>> The amount of busy work and slop and inefficiency it allows... (Disclaimer: I've not used it in a business setting, but do roughly know my way around because we have a "family Basecamp" for some projects) Have you considered the possibility that something that allows for a bit of "slop and inefficiency" might make for a more pleasant, and perhaps even a more productive, working environment than neo-Taylorist perfection does? I'm not actually 100% sold on the product myself, but the way it's pitched (e.g. "Work can wait") is pretty refreshing in the contemporary marketplace.
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by sgslo 10y ago

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dbg31415 10y ago

Through contracting, I've been exposed to just about every tool, and combination of tools out there over the last 20+ year as a project / product manager. Basecamp is cancer. There isn't a team around that wouldn't be better off on Asana, or GitHub + ZenHub, or Atlasssian, or Trello... or anything else. Would gladly dedicate 5 hours per week in training people on alternatives for free, if it meant I never had to go into a client's office who used Basecamp. The amount of busy work and slop and inefficiency it allows... I get people are blind to better options, but seriously spent a few hours researching and trying the tools. A stitch in time saves nine... measure twice, cut once... Please compare it to using other tools and see for yourself.

danpalmer 10y ago
It looks like Basecamp would fit really nicely into our product process, and I think we have a relatively good process. It might not be for everyone, but I don't think it's fair to rule it out for all give your personal experience.
dasmoth 10y ago
>>> The amount of busy work and slop and inefficiency it allows... (Disclaimer: I've not used it in a business setting, but do roughly know my way around because we have a "family Basecamp" for some projects) Have you considered the possibility that something that allows for a bit of "slop and inefficiency" might make for a more pleasant, and perhaps even a more productive, working environment than neo-Taylorist perfection does? I'm not actually 100% sold on the product myself, but the way it's pitched (e.g. "Work can wait") is pretty refreshing in the contemporary marketplace.
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